Is there less tangible Moorish influence in Portugal than in southern Spain and western Sicily?

[Damião de Góis]

It's not yet proved that north african in iberia means moorish admixture. In fact you'll find the highest frequency of E-M81 in northern Portugal (it's highest in a pocket in Cantabria called Pasiegos) which didn't see much moorish occupation. It would be a bit difficult to find moorish influence in northern Portugal i would say. In any case, this would be as dumb as trying to find Caucasus influence in Portugal, the admixture is also there on calculators and it's higher than North African:



In case you're wondering, no this dance doesn't exist here. Despite that i score around 13% Caucasus on some calculators. How can this be?

Now for those interested in History, which i know is not Sikeliot's case, Portugal and Spain didn't exist before the moorish invasion. They appeared as kingdoms during the Reconquista so in theory they are the antithesis of Moors. I'm not sure why people would adopt customs and culture of the people they were fighting. Here a lot of things were destroyed. For example in Lisbon, after it was reconquered, a new cathedral was built in the place of the former mosque of Lisbon:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Western Iberians have the most North African admixture but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is related to the Moorish occupation. It is by no means 11% as well and North African admixture in Iberia peaks exactly in the regions that were never occupied by the Moors or regions that were the least time under their influence (Astúrias, Cantábria, Galiza, Portugal, Extremadura). How do you explain that? You don't so far, you only make silly speculations as usual.

We already told you that those rugs are not common in here yet you keep insisting.

We are completelyunfamiliar with any couscous dish.

You might find some structures that have Moorish architecture but they are the minority and not representative of most of our architecture which is mainly romanesque, gothic, manuelline, baroque and pombaline.

[Sikeliot]

It's not yet proved that north african in iberia means moorish admixture. In fact you'll find the highest frequency of E-M81 in northern Portugal (it's highest in a pocket in Cantabria called Pasiegos) which didn't see much moorish occupation. It would be a bit difficult to find moorish influence in northern Portugal i would say. In any case, this would be as dumb as trying to find Caucasus influence in Portugal, the admixture is also there on calculators and it's higher than North African:

Let me put it a different way. Many people who travel to parts of Andalusia or to Trapani, Agrigento in Sicily say that the "feeling" of being there gives them the impression of being close to North Africa as if that influence never died out. Not identical, but they can feel the proximity. Are you saying this is NOT true of Portugal, anywhere in Portugal?

[Sikeliot]

Western Iberians have the most North African admixture but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is related to the Moorish occupation. It is by no means 11% as well and North African admixture in Iberia peaks exactly in the regions that were never occupied by the Moors or regions that were the least time under their influence (Astúrias, Cantábria, Galiza, Portugal, Extremadura). How do you explain that? You don't so far, you only make silly speculations as usual.

We already told you that those rugs are not common in here yet you keep insisting.

We are completelyunfamiliar with any couscous dish.

You might find some structures that have Moorish architecture but they are the minority and not representative of most of our architecture which is mainly romanesque, gothic, manuelline, baroque and pombaline.

I understand what you're saying, I am asking WHY this is. Why these elements can be seen to some degree in parts of Spain and the western part of Sicily but not in Portugal.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I understand what you're saying, I am asking WHY this is. Why these elements can be seen to some degree in parts of Spain and the western part of Sicily but not in Portugal.

The region where Portugal is geographically located nowadays was not even a hundred years under the Moorish rule in some regions and in the north they mostly raided and pillaged but never really settled in.



Have you ever wondered what the coat of arms in our flags mean? The five blue shields represent the victories of King Afonso I over five Moorish kings between 1139-85. The seven forts on the coat of arms are considered to represent the seven Moorish fortresses that King Afonso III captured.

The Portuguese Kingdom was founded and created by Romanized Catholic Suebi\Visigothic noblemen that expelled the Moors out of the territory so one would expect that 1300 years later after the first invasion we ain't really that similar.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Then maybe this explains the genetically westward pull of Trapani then rather than Normans -- the settlement of Andalusian "Arabs" there.

That's very unlikely.

[Sikeliot]

That's very unlikely.

The 2017 Sarno study attributes it to a late stage Albanian or Greek migration, not to Normans nor Andalusians.

[Cristiano viejo]

You know nothing about a lot of things in general and of Iberian ones in particular, Sikeliot.

Paella has nothing to do with Couscous. It is rice, yes, but saying Paella is a Moorish influenced dish would be like saying the Chinese dishes based in rice are Moorish influenced

And saying this is Moorish architecture just showes how much ignorant you are.



The Horsheshoe arch is of Iberian origin, later developed by Romans, later by Visigoths and finally by Muslims
Even the typical Andalusian patios were born in the Roman times.

But well, you can continue spreading your lies, it is part of your agenda.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The 2017 Sarno study attributes it to a late stage Albanian or Greek migration, not to Normans nor Andalusians.

Bullshit.

[Tauromachos]

The 2017 Sarno study attributes it to a late stage Albanian or Greek migration, not to Normans nor Andalusians.

As for Andalusian don't know

But Albanian DNA would be to say the least distinguishable from Norman DNA let alone Greek from Norman.

Though the issue is complex because there was some Norman presence in Albania as well and it is interwoven with the Norman presence
in Sicily