Is there less tangible Moorish influence in Portugal than in southern Spain and western Sicily?

[nightrider+]

But is it?

Iirc some Moors buried in France were found to belong to this hg and its distribution in Iberia is similar to that of North African autosomal, if that map is correct.

[MinervaItalica]

What Morisco Viejo want to dimostrate by posting Etna?

Yes, but they are not "deserts" as we imagine them, certainly not like the Sahara. In Europe as well as in Spain there can be semi-deserts, like arid deserts but with much more rain, vegetation and more humidity. You can find them also in the Eurasian Steppe and in Central Asia.

I know but still, Spain is the only one in Europe to have those terrains.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

11% sounds a lot. AFAIK Portuguese have No moorish ydna so how would it enter their genepool, via females?

The problem with Sikeliot is that he implies that North African genomes are correlated with the Moorish expansion, so according to his logic Western Iberians should have had a higher cultural retention. It is actually the opossite, in Galiza and Portugal you will find the least cultural impact from Moors, not only because Galiza was never conquered (had only some skirmishes) but also because (the Kingdom to be of) Portugal regained its territories rather quickly in comparison with other areas of Spain: the County of Portugal was formed in 868, and Granada in Andaluzia per example was only finally reconquered in 1492 (624 years of difference).

North African genomes peak in the northen areas that had the least Moorish presence or none at all, so for all that we know and given the evidence we have such genomes could have been introduced in Iberia way before that, be it through the expansion of the Roman Empire or previously through migrations.

Anyway, this year it will be publised an academic article by Lalueza-Fox covering all the major events of the peninsula, in several places. Hopefully then we will understand or have a better insight on how it was really introduced in Iberia.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

What Morisco Viejo want to dimostrate by posting Etna?

Don't know, but these retarded "wars" between Italians and Iberians must end.

[MinervaItalica]

Don't know, but these retarded "wars" between Italians and Iberians must end.

Sadly they won't end until we will have sites like this.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Iirc some Moors buried in France were found to belong to this hg and its distribution in Iberia is similar to that of North African autosomal, if that map is correct.

Absolutely not true. I wonder if it is because you are intelectually dishonest or because your geographical knowledge of the peninsula is terrible but that map doesn't correlate at all with the areas where north african genomes peak according to the latest study you keep mentioning everywhere. I know that you never loose an oportunity to jump into any thread that tries to associate us with the Maghreb but you should worry instead with your keen that is in any given day genetically closer to Maghrebs, Turks, Jews, Albanians and Bulgarians than to Iberians.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Since when deserts are a parameter to define Moorish cultural influeces? Were the deserts introduced in the Peninsula as well with the arrival of Moors?

There are deserts even in Poland.

[nightrider+]

Absolutely not true. I wonder if it is because you are intelectually dishonest or because your geographical knowledge of the peninsula is terrible but that map doesn't correlate at all with the areas where north african genomes peak according to the latest study you keep mentioning everywhere. I know that you never loose an oportunity to jump into any thread that tries to associate us with the Maghreb but you should worry instead with your keen that is in any given day genetically closer to Maghrebs, Turks, Jews, Albanians and Bulgarians than to Iberians.

Calm down, man. I can smell the butthurt from across the Mediterranean. There is nothing untrue in my post. Early medieval Moors found in France belonged to E-M81 and the distribution of this haplogroup in Iberia is similar (not identical) to that of North African autosomal.

Here is another map from wikipedia:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Calm down, man. I can smell the butthurt from across the Mediterranean. There is nothing untrue in my post. Early medieval Moors found in France belonged to E-M81 and the distribution of this haplogroup in Iberia is similar (not identical) to that of North African autosomal.

I haven't mentioned any Moors buried in France and that wasn't even my point so don't try to deviate things, Arbanita.

Study for ten minutes first the geography of the peninsula before saying stupidities and try cherrypicking better next time. That study is from 2016 (and not even focused in Iberia) and predates the latest study that was released this year, so make up your mind since they are contradicting one another.

[Quasar]

I know but still, Spain is the only one in Europe to have those terrains.

So what? What is wrong with having "those" terrains? Are you implying that since we have arid places, we are closer to moorish lands, and therefore we are less Europeans?? Is that what you are saying? Seriously, you have a twisted mind.