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Just like with other Vlachs.. latin evolved due mixing with various other languages...Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda
I always wandered how Vulgar Latin from 1st-2nd century A.D sounded...
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Probably more shortened, without S or M endings in singular nouns, using the demonstratives "ille, illa, illud" or "ipse, ipsa, ipsum" as proto-articles and with a more simplified grammar with less use of declensions. Perhaps something similar to Sardinian, since it's the most conservative language of the family.
reverse engineering experiment : Sardinian -> simplified Vulgar Latin
- Lis happo nadu/naradu de si ch'essire a fora -> Illis habeo narratus de sibi hicce exire ad foras (to them I have said to go out from here)
- A frade meu li dolen sas dentes -> Ad fratre(m) meu(m) illi dolent ipsas dentes (to my brother hurt the teeth)
- Frades issoro tribaglian in su saltu -> Fratres ipsorum tripaliant in ipsu(m) saltu(m) (their brothers work in the countryside)
- Nos bidìmus cras in domo issoro -> Nos videmus cras in domo ipsorum (we see tomorrow in their house)
- Sèmus essidos chito custu manzanu -> Sumus exitos cito eccu(m) istu(m) maneanu(m) (we got off early this morning)
Non Auro, Sed Ferro, Recuperanda Est Patria (Not by Gold, But by Iron, Is the Nation to be Recovered) - Marcus Furius Camillus (Roman General)
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Tata is not only from Slavic, I think there was a Latin word called the same that kids would use to call their dad. But it may have a common Indo European root with other Euro languages. Or maybe it is just the kind of sound kids make
I wish Dalmatian did not go extinct. It is a very interesting language!
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Latin became increasingly less popular due being absorbed by Frankish and other Germanic people.
We learned Church Slavonic which was a Church language and later mixed it with some Latin words, that’s how south Slavic came to be.
Only people on Islands preserved Latin speech that eventually died out. Our Latin lives today among Romanians and other non assimilated vlachs.
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Yes and Dalmatian probably has a tone of Slavic loanwords, unlike Sardinian.I bet that you would understand more easily Sardinian than Dalmatian, being geographically less distant and more similar to Iberian languages
(with courtesy form, 2nd plural person)
Babbu nostru,
qui sèzis/sètis in sos chelos (pronounce "kelos")
santificadu sìet su nomene 'ostru,
bènzat a nòis su regnu 'ostru,
fatta sìet sa voluntade 'ostra,
comente in su Chelu e gai in sa Terra.
Su pane nostru de ogni die dade-nos hoe,
perdonade-nos sos peccados nostros
comente nòis los perdonamus
a sos inimigos nostros,
e no nos lassèdas a rùere in tentazione,
ma liberade-nos dae su male.
(without courtesy form, using 2nd singular person)
Babbu nostru,
qui ses in sos chelos
santificadu sìet su nomene Tou,
bènzat a nòis su regnu Tou,
fatta sìet sa voluntade Tua,
comente in su Chelu e gai in sa Terra.
Su pane nostru de ogni die da-nos hoe,
perdona-nos sos peccados nostros,
comente nòis los perdonamus
a sos inimigos nostros,
e no nos làsses a rùere in tentazione,
ma libera-nos dae su male.
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Ah I knew this one. It woulda been unfair to guess, but people got it pretty fast anyway.
On Wikipedia I found the following:
Similarities to Romanian
Among the similarities with Romanian, some consonant shifts can be found among the Romance languages only in Dalmatian and Romanian:[citation needed]
Origin Result Latin Vegliot Romanian Italian English
/kt/ /pt/ octo guapto opt otto eight
/ŋn/ /mn/ cognatus comnut cumnat cognato brother-in-law
/ks/ /ps/ coxa copsa coapsă coscia thigh
But in more ways it's closer to Italian and Istriot I believe.
The worst potential competition for any organism can come from its own kind. The species consumes necessities. Growth is limited by that necessity which is present in the least amount. The least favorable condition controls the rate of growth.
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Yes. It seems there used to be a common Balkanic Romance vernacular, long time ago. But in the course of time the Westernmost fringe (Istria, Dalmatia) increasingly fell under the influence of Venetian in its spoken form, and consequently of literary Italian in the written form.
Was Dalmatian ever a written language?
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it's closer even though all italian does (Always) is Phono synctactic doubling. in italian most combination of two consonants tended to fall over time and were substituted by doubling, while i think Dalmatian and Romanian kept the two consonants although changing them slighltly and substituting mute sounds with voiced ones.
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Rising diphthongs resulting from long or stressed Latin 'o' are somewhat different though. Italian tends to use 'uo', Spanish has 'ue', and Romanian 'oa' (Lat. schola > It. scuola, Sp. escuela, Ro. scoala). Dalmatian also has 'uo' and also 'oi' in some cases, but in different places than Italian.
The worst potential competition for any organism can come from its own kind. The species consumes necessities. Growth is limited by that necessity which is present in the least amount. The least favorable condition controls the rate of growth.
Memory never recaptures reality. Memory reconstructs. All reconstructions change the original, becoming external frames of reference that inevitably fall short.
Historians exercise great power and some of them know it. They recreate the past, changing it to fit their own interpretations. Thus, they change the future as well.
Those who would repeat the past must control the teaching of history.
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I knew that this thread was going to be about Dalmatian even before I read the text in the OP; just seeing the thread title was enough. How strange is that?
Anyway, kudos to giulioimpa for bringing up this interesting language here on The Apricity, and thanks to other posters for adding texts from their own Romance languages, like Sardinian and Portuguese.
Yes, Istriot is closely related to Dalmatian, and both languages have similar diphthongs (the "Ou Uo stuff" that Bosniensis mentioned). Here's a sentence in Istriot that shows what I'm talking about:
El zì pioûn muona loû, ca la loûna da Padua.
Translation: "He's more stupid than the Padua moon", which is an idiomatic expression that Istriot speakers use when talking about a person that they consider dim-witted.
Source:
http://digilander.libero.it/arup/dizL.htm
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