Montenegro throughout history

[Jackson78]

Sav Bihać je od Predojevića, imamo u centru grada Turbe posvećeno Hasan Paši Predojeviću, interesantno.

Za krajiške Predojeviće je ipak verovatnije da su R1a.

[Morlak]

Responds by citing wikipedia

Most of that history is made up and if you look into you can see that it was written by Serbs themselves. There are no primary sources backing any of this history. Do not blindly believe something just because others tell you about it. You have to question the validity.

For example the Balshaj family is 100% Albanian with origins from around the Shkoder region. They were an Albanian noble family which is why they were members of the league of Lezhe. Their name has origin in Albanian as well as their coat of Arms which is a Wolf. They chose a Wolf because their major City where they were headquartered was Ulqin which derives its name from the Albanian word for Wolf.

Look its not my fault you are uniformed. First time i see someone denying existence of Duklja and Zeta lmao

You want primary sources? Sure go and read De Administrando Imperio written by Byzantine Emperor himself
http://www.jassa.org/?p=4918

As for the Balšić family their origin is uncertain as there is many theories. Only Albanian historians claim them as Albanians, even Robert Elsie one of biggest modernday albanophille historians says they are Serbian.
I find hard to believe that Albanians would name their children Stracimir,Jelisaveta,Vojislava,Gojko..

[ChocolateFace]

Look its not my fault you are uniformed. First time i see someone denying existence of Duklja and Zeta lmao

You want primary sources? Sure go and read De Administrando Imperio written by Byzantine Emperor himself
http://www.jassa.org/?p=4918

As for the Balšić family their origin is uncertain as there is many theories. Only Albanian historians claim them as Albanians, even Robert Elsie one of biggest modernday albanophille historians says they are Serbian.
I find hard to believe that Albanians would name their children Stracimir,Jelisaveta,Vojislava,Gojko..

Elsie claimed that he didn't know of their origin.

Most Albanians were Orthodox at the time and throughout history names were given based on religion. Same reason why some Muslim Albanians have non-traditional European names.

[Morlak]

Elsie claimed that he didn't know of their origin.

Most Albanians were Orthodox at the time and throughout history names were given based on religion. Same reason why some Muslim Albanians have non-traditional European names.

None of these names(Except Jelisaveta) have Christian origins, they are pure Serbian names coming from pagan times.

[ChocolateFace]

None of these names(Except Jelisaveta) have Christian origins, they are pure Serbian names coming from pagan times.

Eventually the names get integrated into the church and the origin becomes irrelevant. Back in the day religion and ethnicity were often intermingled which led to a lot of confusion.

[cosmoo]

The Prince-Bishopric spans from 1516, not from late 17th century.
Moreover, the territory shown on those maps shows only that which was under jurisdiction of Prince-Bishops of Cetinje, failing to take into the account that most of the other clans were also autonomous and self-governed.

An authentic Italian map from the beginning of 16th century:

[Kelmendasi]

Its really hard to find completely accurate map, and the best one are in cyrillic but this one could pass i guess though there are flaws. Note that not all areas mentioned here were tribes especially northern part of the country such as Potarje and Pljevlja which are more like regions not tribes.
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This one seems like a decent map although I agree that some of these "tribes" are more like regions than actual tribes. Hoti, Zatrijebac/Trieshi and a part of Kuqi are Albanian clans in Montenegro, also Gruda which is another Albanian clan in Montenegro but it isn't on the map, perhaps it's under Tuhi/Tuzi

[Morlak]

This one seems like a decent map although I agree that some of these "tribes" are more like regions than actual tribes. Hoti, Zatrijebac/Trieshi and a part of Kuqi are Albanian clans in Montenegro, also Gruda which is another Albanian clan in Montenegro but it isn't on the map, perhaps it's under Tuhi/Tuzi

Yeah, idk why it's wirtten Tuzi instead of Gruda. There is also some smaller Albanian clans in Montnegro such as Šestani located in Bar, though I think many of them are Slavophone today and they have many Serbian traditions such as Slava and cult of Saint Sava.

[Lek]

This one seems like a decent map although I agree that some of these "tribes" are more like regions than actual tribes. Hoti, Zatrijebac/Trieshi and a part of Kuqi are Albanian clans in Montenegro, also Gruda which is another Albanian clan in Montenegro but it isn't on the map, perhaps it's under Tuhi/Tuzi

A part of Kelmendi is also in MNE. Get your ass back there, boy.

[Leo Iscariot]

What about Serbia and Montenegro?