Iranian GEDmatch kits

[Babak]

The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern Afghanistan

What about Heratis? From experience, many of them seem to identify with the persians of Iran. Interestingly, they are also able to speak with an Iranian persian accent too lol

[Arhat]

What about Heratis? From experience, many of them seem to identify with the persians of Iran. Interestingly, they are also able to speak with an Iranian persian accent too lol

in the strict sense they are just Persians and not Tajiks. Only recently they started to see themselves as Tajiks and historically they were not seen as distinct from Persians in Khorasan. Also they are unlike most Tajiks Shiites and speak a dialect very similar to Persian in Khorasan. The Tajik identity was imposed on them to seperate them from Persians in Iran. Herat was historically a less afghan City than Peshawar or Quetta but because of historical circumtances it is now part of Afghanistan and this pashtun cities are today not.

[Babak]

in the strict sense they are just Persians and not Tajiks. Only recently they started to see themselves as Tajiks and historically they were not seen as distinct from Persians in Khorasan. Also they are unlike most Tajiks Shiites and speak a dialect very similar to Persian in Khorasan. The Tajik identity was imposed on them to seperate them from Persians in Iran. Herat was historically a less afghan City than Peshawar or Quetta but because of historical circumtances it is now part of Afghanistan and this pashtun cities are today not.

Ah i see. Makes sense

[MS85]

The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern Afghanistan

What are you talking about? Pashtuns have/score a lot 'Mongoloid' admixture. From Scythians, Hephthalites (White Huns) and from the Mongols. If you mean 'recent' from Uzbeks, Tatar, Kirgiz, Kazakh or Russians than I am not sure about it.

And you are right about the Pamir Tajiks, they are most likely Persianized Pamirs and therefore can be considered as 'Tajiks". But I'm sure that like Pashtuns also Pamirs have a lot Mongoloid DNA before the Persian migration into Central Asia.

[Babak]

What are you talking about? Pashtuns have/score a lot 'Mongoloid' admixture. From Scythians, Hephthalites (White Huns) and from the Mongols. If you mean 'recent' from Uzbeks, Tatar, Kirgiz, Kazakh or Russians than I am not sure about it.

And you are right about the Pamir Tajiks, they are most likely Persianized Pamirs and therefore can be considered as 'Tajiks". But I'm sure that like Pashtuns also Pamirs have a lot Mongoloid DNA before the Persian migration into Central Asia.

Except...there was no major persian migration into central asia.

[MS85]

Except...there was no major persian migration into central asia.

When there was some migration of Persians into Central Asia, the popualtion of Tajiks was not that high. Should be not a problem since population in Afgahnistan and Tajikstan is not that big

historical demographical data of Tajikistan

X 1000


http://www.populstat.info/Asia/tajikisc.htm

[Arhat]

What are you talking about? Pashtuns have/score a lot 'Mongoloid' admixture. From Scythians, Hephthalites (White Huns) and from the Mongols. If you mean 'recent' from Uzbeks, Tatar, Kirgiz, Kazakh or Russians than I am not sure about it.

And you are right about the Pamir Tajiks, they are most likely Persianized Pamirs and therefore can be considered as 'Tajiks". But I'm sure that like Pashtuns also Pamirs have a lot Mongoloid DNA before the Persian migration into Central Asia.

Lol mongolid admixture from Russians. Are you stupid or what? There is no russian admixture in Central Asia. Pashtuns have very low mongolid admixture and most can be esplained either with prehistorical admixture from Siberian HGs which Andronovo already picked up before they entered Afghanistan.

Tajik is just an umbrealla term for various persian speaking groups in Central Asia which dont identify with a tribal group. They dont have a common history or identity.

[MS85]

Lol mongolid admixture from Russians. Are you stupid or what? There is no russian admixture in Central Asia. Pashtuns have very low mongolid admixture and most can be esplained either with prehistorical admixture from Siberian HGs which Andronovo already picked up before they entered Afghanistan.

Tajik is just an umbrealla term for various persian speaking groups in Central Asia which dont identify with a tribal group. They dont have a common history or identity.

Are Tatars not Russians? There many ethnic Russians in Siberia who are mixed with the local people. Are Mongoloid Baltic people in Russia not Russians? Russians are full of the Mongoloid DNA. There is a lot Mongoloid Russian admixture in Central Asia.

Russians are full of the Mongoloid DNA and they are spreading their Mongoloid DNA with their migrations!


Most Mongoloid DNA in Pashtuns is most lileky fromt he Scythians, Hephthalites (White Huns) and the Mongol invasions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_India


Nevertheless, Tajiks speak Persian and are very, very mixed people. They have got their DNA from practically everybody! So, their DNA can't be representative for the ancient people

[MS85]

Lol mongolid admixture from Russians.

Tell this to the Russian general Sergey Shoygu.




If you tell Putin or Shoygu that he is not a Russia, he will laugh at your face. Russians like Shoygu spread a lot Mongoloid DNA in Central Asia. It was also part of the USSR policy to send 'ethnic' Russians to other peripheral parts of Russia. Russians mixed with everybody from Europe to Japan.

[Leto]

Tell this to the Russian general Sergey Shoygu.




If you tell Putin or Shoygu that he is not a Russia, he will laugh at your face. Russians like Shoygu spread a lot Mongoloid DNA in Central Asia. It was also part of the USSR policy to send 'ethnic' Russians to other peripheral parts of Russia. Russians mixed with everybody from Europe to Japan.

This is nonsense. Why are you trolling? Shoygu is half Tuvan and most Russians did not mix with Central Asians in Soviet times. Moreover a lot of Russians have left since 1991. My mother was born in Uzbekistan and grew up in Turkmenistan (a military family). They left in the 80s. In Tajikistan Russians were only 1% back in 2010. Attributing Mongoloid admixture in Central Asia (!) to Russian influence (we're only about 5% East Eurasian on average) is beyond ridiculous. First you claim that you rely on facts and evidence and then you spew such utter crap. Please stop this.

Russian can mean Russian citizen (rossiyanin) and ethnic (i.e. Slavic/European) Russian (russky).