Caucasus DNA analyzed (G25 averages)

[Kyp]

References:

Levant_PPNB,0.0725625,0.1650235,-0.0309238,-0.1380835,0.0323138,-0.062541,-0.012103,-0.0141338,0.0735775,0.0367207,0.0194055,-0.0170098,0.036459,-0.000241,-0.021342,0.0067288,0.0089638,-0.0013935,-0.0054052,0.0192277,-0.0037435,0.007852,-0.0014175,-0.0062658,-0.0047002
Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Iran_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Anatolia_TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Caucasus_GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
East_asian/Siberian:East_Asia_CHN_Boshan_N,0.01935,-0.444802,0.032432,-0.062339,0.012618,0.002789,0.009635,0.003,-0.007772,0.008201,-0.074861,-0.009891,0.009812,-0.008533,-0.010315,-0.005701,-0.004042,0.003801,-0.000377,-0.002126,0.013726,0.003215,0.005793,-0.005543,-0.005628
East_asian/Siberian:Siberia_Ural_RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.083792,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.012813
Indus__Valley_Civilization_IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305

[Guti]

Those results give a very wrong picture.


Proto-Western Iranic DNA as of proto-'Western Iranians' is derived from the CIC component ('Central Iranian Cluster'). 'Central Iranian Cluster' (CIC) = Iran_ChL.

Iran_ChL is mostly CHG.

https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...l.pgen.1008385

[Kyp]

Those results give a very wrong picture.


Proto-Western Iranic DNA as of proto-'Western Iranians' is derived from the CIC component ('Central Iranian Cluster'). 'Central Iranian Cluster' (CIC) = Iran_ChL.

Iran_ChL is mostly CHG.

https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...l.pgen.1008385

No it doesn't. Iranian_Neoltithic and CHG are related, however they still are viewed as seperate because of genetic drift (meaning isolation from each other for a long time).

Iranian_calcolithic is levantine/anatolian drifted compared to Iranian_Neolithic.

[Guti]

No it doesn't. Iranian_Neoltithic and CHG are related, however they still are viewed as seperate because of genetic drift (meaning isolation from each other for a long time).

Iranian_calcolithic is levantine/anatolian drifted compared to Iranian_Neolithic.

When proto-Western Iranics were derived from the Iran_ChL 7000-8000 years ago, Iran_N didn't exist anymore it was already extinct in Kurdistan/Northwestern Iran. https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...l.pgen.1008385

Iran_ChL (CIC) is mostly a product of CHG and not Iran_N.




Iran_N is a very archaic extinct component and is not really related anymore to the modern Western Iranics. Iran_N is more related to the 'Indus Valley' civilisation.

[Guti]

Aryans aka Western Iranics are mosty derived from the 'Central Iranian Cluster' (CIC)/Iran_ChL component. https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...l.pgen.1008385

When Western Iranic ethnic groups derived from the 'Central Iranian Cluster', Iran_N was already gone extinct (heavily diluted with the CHG) from the western parts of the Iranian Plateau.



'Central Iranian Cluster' (CIC) or Iran_ChL is a true ancestral component of the Western Iranic people. I think this is the original place of the proto-Aryan CIC/Iran_ChL component.

[Kyp]

When proto-Western Iranics were derived from the Iran_ChL 7000-8000 years ago, Iran_N didn't exist anymore it was already extinct in Kurdistan/Northwestern Iran. https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...l.pgen.1008385

Iran_ChL (CIC) is mostly a product of CHG and not Iran_N.




Iran_N is a very archaic extinct component and is not really related anymore to the modern Western Iranics. Iran_N is more related to the 'Indus Valley' civilisation.

The errors are enough to dismiss that breakdown entirely. Acceptable error rates should be below 7%

[Guti]

The errors are enough to dismiss that breakdown entirely. Acceptable error rates should be below 7%

According to whom? It is from an ACADEMIC paper. Those are stats complied by the great Iosif Lazaridis. The whole academic PCA map is based on it. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/059311v1

The fact stays that by the time when the 'Western Iranic' super cluster came into the existence, the Iran_N in its purest form was already gone from Kurdistan/Western Iran for a very long time.

[Guti]

According to whom? It is from an ACADEMIC paper. Those are stats complied by the great Iosif Lazaridis. The whole academic PCA map is based on it. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/059311v1

The fact stays that by the time when Western Iranic super cluster came into the existence, the Iran_N in its purest form was already gone from Kurdistan/Western Iran for a very long time

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/059311v1

[Kyp]

According to whom? It is from an ACADEMIC paper. Those are stats complied by the great Iosif Lazaridis. The whole academic PCA map is based on it. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/059311v1

The fact stays that by the time when the 'Western Iranic' super cluster came into the existence, the Iran_N in its purest form was already gone from Kurdistan/Western Iran for a very long time.

here results with the same software and better error rate:


Hajji_Firuz_C:

46.4% Iran_N
8% CHG
32.4% Anatolia_N
13.1% PPNB_Levant
p=0.16


Another run:

Seh_Gabi_C

59.1% Iran_N
9.5% CHG
23.2% Anatolia_N
8.1% PPNB

p=0.38


For comparison with g25:

[Awuddah]

Iran_ChL (CIC) is mostly a product of CHG and not Iran_N.

But CHG itself is mostly a product of Iran_N so you're talking about the same.
In fact Iran_ChL has extra southern admixture compared to the EHG-admixed CHG so Iran_ChL is more similar to Iran_N than to CHG.