Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 30

Thread: The genetic prehistory of the greater Caucasus

  1. #1
    Veteran Member Kelmendasi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Last Online
    01-30-2019 @ 04:41 PM
    Location
    England, London
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Thraco-Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Gheg Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dinaric alps/northern Albania
    Country
    England
    Region
    City of London
    Y-DNA
    J1-ZS241, Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
    mtDNA
    T1a1l
    Taxonomy
    Dinaro-Pontid + CM
    Hero
    Gjergj Kastrioti-Skanderbeg, Alexander the Great, Isa Boletini
    Religion
    Albanianism
    Gender
    Posts
    7,975
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,495
    Given: 3,850

    6 Not allowed!

    Default The genetic prehistory of the greater Caucasus

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....t-Harvard-Jena

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/earl...medium=twitter

    Abstract
    Archaeogenetic studies have described the formation of Eurasian 'steppe ancestry' as a mixture of Eastern and Caucasus hunter-gatherers. However, it remains unclear when and where this ancestry arose and whether it was related to a horizon of cultural innovations in the 4th millennium BCE that subsequently facilitated the advance of pastoral societies likely linked to the dispersal of Indo-European languages. To address this, we generated genome-wide SNP data from 45 prehistoric individuals along a 3000-year temporal transect in the North Caucasus. We observe a genetic separation between the groups of the Caucasus and those of the adjacent steppe. The Caucasus groups are genetically similar to contemporaneous populations south of it, suggesting that - unlike today - the Caucasus acted as a bridge rather than an insurmountable barrier to human movement. The steppe groups from Yamnaya and subsequent pastoralist cultures show evidence for previously undetected Anatolian farmer-related ancestry from different contact zones, while Steppe Maykop individuals harbour additional Upper Palaeolithic Siberian and Native American related ancestry.
    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

  2. #2
    Veteran Member Kelmendasi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Last Online
    01-30-2019 @ 04:41 PM
    Location
    England, London
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Thraco-Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Gheg Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dinaric alps/northern Albania
    Country
    England
    Region
    City of London
    Y-DNA
    J1-ZS241, Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
    mtDNA
    T1a1l
    Taxonomy
    Dinaro-Pontid + CM
    Hero
    Gjergj Kastrioti-Skanderbeg, Alexander the Great, Isa Boletini
    Religion
    Albanianism
    Gender
    Posts
    7,975
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,495
    Given: 3,850

    2 Not allowed!

    Default





    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

  3. #3
    Veteran Member Kelmendasi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Last Online
    01-30-2019 @ 04:41 PM
    Location
    England, London
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Thraco-Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Gheg Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dinaric alps/northern Albania
    Country
    England
    Region
    City of London
    Y-DNA
    J1-ZS241, Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
    mtDNA
    T1a1l
    Taxonomy
    Dinaro-Pontid + CM
    Hero
    Gjergj Kastrioti-Skanderbeg, Alexander the Great, Isa Boletini
    Religion
    Albanianism
    Gender
    Posts
    7,975
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,495
    Given: 3,850

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Ydna haplogroups:
    . RK4002.B0101 Rasshevatskiy 4 4610.0 Catacomb - R1b1a2
    . RK4001.A0101 Rasshevatskiy 4 4277.0 Catacomb - R1b1a2
    . SA6003.B0101 Sharakhalsun 6 4292.5 Catacomb - R1b1a2
    . I2051 Marchenkova Gora, D13 3260.0 Dolmen LBA - J
    . I2055 Unakozovskaya 6533.0 Eneolithic Caucasus - J
    . I2056 Unakozovskaya 6477.5 Eneolithic Caucasus - J2a
    . PG2001 Progress 2 6207.0 Eneolithic steppe - R1b1
    . PG2004 Progress 2 6090.0 Eneolithic steppe - R1b1
    . ARM002.A0101; ARM003 Kaps 5148.0 Kura-Araxes - G2b
    . VEK007.A0101; VEK009 Velikent 4850.0 Kura-Araxes - J1
    . MK5004 Marinskaya 5 5171.0 Late Maykop - L
    . MK5001 Marinskaya 5 5141.5 Late Maykop - L
    . SIJ002.A0101 Sinyukha 5173.5 Late Maykop - L
    . KBD001 Kabardinka 4036.5 Late North Caucasus - R1b1a2
    . NV3001 Nevinnomiskiy 3 3970.5 Lola - Q1a2
    . I6268 Klady 5564.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya - J2a1
    . I6266 Klady 5200.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya - J2a1
    . I6272 Dlinnaya Polyana 5200.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya - G2a2a
    . KDC001.A0101 Kudachurt 3823.5 MBA North Caucasus - J2b
    . BU2001.A0101 Beliy Ugol 2 4674.0 North Caucasus - R1b1a2a2
    . GW1001.A0101 Goryachevodskiy 2 4726.0 North Caucasus - R1b1a2a2
    . I1723 Goryachevodskiy 2 4702.0 North Caucasus - R1b1a1a2a
    . LYG001.A0101 Lysogorskaya 6 4672.0 North Caucasus - R1b1a2
    . MK5009.A0101 Marinskaya 5 4710.0 North Caucasus - R1b1a2
    . SA6013.B0101 Sharakhalsun 6 5180.0 Steppe Maykop outlier - R1
    . RK1001.C0101 Rasshevatskiy 1 4726.0 Yamnaya Caucasus - R1b1a2
    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

  4. #4
    Member sailormoon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:52 AM
    Ethnicity
    Yamnaya
    Country
    Russia
    Gender
    Posts
    144
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 106
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    . PG2001 Progress 2 6207.0 Eneolithic steppe - R1b1
    . PG2004 Progress 2 6090.0 Eneolithic steppe - R1b1
    These two individuals (PG2001, PG2004) are ancestral to other ancient Caucasus samples with R1b1's descendant subclades (R1b1a2 and R1b1a2a2). A male from the Mesolithic Samara culture (5650–5555 BCE) also belonged to R1b1, the earliest documented ancient sample of this haplogroup discovered to date (Haak et al. 2014). PG2001 and PG2004 may be associated with the Samara hunter-gatherers, who are pre-Yamnaya people who lived immediately north of the Caspian Sea.

    Progress 2, Russia
    N 43.822691°, E 43.350278°
    Excavation ‘Nasledie’, Stavropol 2009-10, licence №209-545 (S. Ja. Berezin)
    In the same environmental zone as the sites of Marynskaya 3 in the piedmont steppe zone of the North Caucasus, in a distance of 20 km five of the ten mounds of the group Progress 2 were excavated prior to gravel extraction in the former riverbeds of the river Malka. Here, the entire river terraces are dotted with burial mounds of which several have been excavated in the 1970’s. The mounds were located on the first terrace on the left side of the river. Several mounds were clustered, while mounds 5 and 10 were slightly separated. Mounds 1 and 4, from which the sampled individuals stem, were part of one cluster. Most of the burials in all mounds date to the North Caucasus cultural formation, but mound 1 and 4 were firstly built on top of Eneolithic inhumations. Two of them were sampled and produced genome-wide data.
    Mound 1 was the largest mound with a diameter of 40 m and a height of 2.2 m. Its construction comprised three phases with two stone shells and a stone circle. In the 18-19th century the place was used as a cemetery by the local Islamic population. The founding grave 37, which was sampled for aDNA analysis, dates to the Eneolithic epoch and is related to the aforementioned group of Don-Caspian-Caucasus Eneolithic complexes. Of the remaining burials in this mound two are associated with the Yamnaya epoch, and eleven graves date to the Middle Bronze Age with inventories attributed to the North Caucasus formation.
    Mound 4 was smaller with a diameter of 20 m and a remaining height of only 0.3 m. The founding graves were two Eneolithic burials, graves 9 and 12, which were found side by side and revealed practically identical radiocarbon dating. Both skeletons were thickly packed in red ochre and grave 12 revealed a complex trepanation35. One grave in this mound is associated with Yamnaya, four with the Middle Bronze Age (North Caucasus) and one burial dates to the Sarmatian period. Three individuals from Progress 2 produced genome-wide data:

    •PG2001.B0101.TF + B0201.TF (BZNK-113/4), kurgan 1, grave 37, was the Eneolithic founding grave in mound 1 was found in an oval pit, thickly packed in red ochre. The grave goods consisted of a long flint blade, a flint adze, a flint projectile head and another flint object. A radiocarbon doublet of charcoal and human bone revealed a strong reservoir-effect in the human bone date. Dating: human bone 4991-4834 calBCE (6012±28BP, MAMS-110564), charcoal 4336-4173 calBCE (5397±28BP, MAMS-110563)
    •PG2002.A0101.TF (BZNK-303/1), kurgan 1, grave 25b. The burial was placed in a rectangular pit attributed to the North Caucasus culture and was equipped with bronze ornaments and a collier of bronze and gagat beads. On top of this grave a second North Caucasus grave 25a without grave goods was discovered. Dating: 2483-2342 calBCE (3929±22BP, MAMS-29815)
    •PG2004.A0101.TF + C0101.TF (BZNK-062/1+3), kurgan 4, grave 9, was one of the two Eneolithic founding graves in the mound. The individual was found in a shallow grave pit packed in a thick layer of red ochre. The grave inventory contained the fragment of a ceramic vessel, a long flint blade and a bone object. Dating: 4233-4047 calBCE (5304±25BP, MAMS-11210)
    Last edited by sailormoon; 05-30-2018 at 07:31 PM.

  5. #5
    Account Deleted
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Myanthropologies's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Last Online
    10-11-2019 @ 01:34 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Iranic, Caucasian, and Slavic
    Ethnicity
    50% Banana
    Ancestry
    West Asian, South-Central Asian, and Northeastern European
    Country
    United States
    Y-DNA
    G2b1a
    mtDNA
    V
    Taxonomy
    Clark Kent with browner hair and a more Iranian nose
    Politics
    Progressive, but not the stupid kind
    Religion
    Islam
    Relationship Status
    Single
    Age
    22
    Gender
    Posts
    9,655
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 6,061
    Given: 6,146

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Very cool study shedding new light on my ancient ancestry. Is there a link to the full study?
    Learn some about Afghans here
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...of-Afghanistan

    Indian Genomics can be modeled by four-way populations, not two way populations. Read more in this thread:
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...tion-structure

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Last Online
    06-23-2021 @ 06:41 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    EM78GREENSAVANNAH's best friend
    Ethnicity
    Bessarabian Jew
    Country
    Israel
    Region
    Aboriginal
    Y-DNA
    g2a1
    mtDNA
    h1
    Gender
    Posts
    6,561
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,158
    Given: 4,510

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    We wuz narts nd shiet

  7. #7
    Veteran Member Kelmendasi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Last Online
    01-30-2019 @ 04:41 PM
    Location
    England, London
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Thraco-Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Gheg Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dinaric alps/northern Albania
    Country
    England
    Region
    City of London
    Y-DNA
    J1-ZS241, Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
    mtDNA
    T1a1l
    Taxonomy
    Dinaro-Pontid + CM
    Hero
    Gjergj Kastrioti-Skanderbeg, Alexander the Great, Isa Boletini
    Religion
    Albanianism
    Gender
    Posts
    7,975
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,495
    Given: 3,850

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    Very cool study shedding new light on my ancient ancestry. Is there a link to the full study?
    I found this https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...22347.full.pdf. I think the paper itself is just a pre-print though
    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Last Online
    06-23-2021 @ 06:41 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    EM78GREENSAVANNAH's best friend
    Ethnicity
    Bessarabian Jew
    Country
    Israel
    Region
    Aboriginal
    Y-DNA
    g2a1
    mtDNA
    h1
    Gender
    Posts
    6,561
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,158
    Given: 4,510

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    so?

  9. #9
    Veteran Member Kelmendasi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Last Online
    01-30-2019 @ 04:41 PM
    Location
    England, London
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Thraco-Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Gheg Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dinaric alps/northern Albania
    Country
    England
    Region
    City of London
    Y-DNA
    J1-ZS241, Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
    mtDNA
    T1a1l
    Taxonomy
    Dinaro-Pontid + CM
    Hero
    Gjergj Kastrioti-Skanderbeg, Alexander the Great, Isa Boletini
    Religion
    Albanianism
    Gender
    Posts
    7,975
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,495
    Given: 3,850

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Turns out the J2b sample from the middle Bronze Age north Caucasus was J2b2-L283*(Z590+, Z627-). This could help strengthen the argument that L283 expanded into Europe during the Bronze Age via the Indo-Europeans.
    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Last Online
    12-08-2023 @ 08:49 PM
    Ethnicity
    Greek
    Country
    Greece
    Gender
    Posts
    3,798
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,716
    Given: 1,188

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Turns out the J2b sample from the middle Bronze Age north Caucasus was J2b2-L283*(Z590+, Z627-). This could help strengthen the argument that L283 expanded into Europe during the Bronze Age via the Indo-Europeans.
    And that Albos came from Caucasus.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Greater Hungary Vs Greater Albania
    By ShenGjergj in forum Srbija
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-23-2018, 08:55 PM
  2. Replies: 32
    Last Post: 01-08-2018, 03:22 AM
  3. Hungarian prehistory
    By Szegedist in forum Magyarország
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 05-22-2013, 06:09 PM
  4. Replies: 14
    Last Post: 02-05-2012, 04:49 PM
  5. Replies: 17
    Last Post: 10-09-2010, 11:25 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •