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    There was one theory suggesting Proto-Indo-European as a Northwest Caucasian language heavily influenced by one Eurasiatic language, specifically Uralic. Dunno how these theories are valid -I am not a linguist by the way- but I am sure that there some North Caucasus influence in Indo-European people's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    And that Albos came from Caucasus.
    Yes in 1054AD from Azerbaijan as the scholar Novi Pazar proposes. On a serious note, the haplogroup seems to have been linked to the Catacomb culture which covered the steppe and north Caucasus. It already was in the Balkans by the Bronze Age going by the Croatian sample. Probably spread with IE speaking peoples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....t-Harvard-Jena

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    while Steppe Maykop individuals harbour additional Upper Palaeolithic Siberian and Native American related ancestry.
    People like to play with names instead just to say who are they "Siberian and Native American related ancestry".
    butthurt is an strong mental disorder in this case, again

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    Quote Originally Posted by gültekin View Post
    People like to play with names instead just to say who are they "Siberian and Native American related ancestry".
    butthurt is an strong mental disorder in this case, again
    Those are words from the paper not me. That ancestry is probably something like ANE.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian of the Age View Post
    There was one theory suggesting Proto-Indo-European as a Northwest Caucasian language heavily influenced by one Eurasiatic language, specifically Uralic. Dunno how these theories are valid -I am not a linguist by the way- but I am sure that there some North Caucasus influence in Indo-European people's.
    There is also a theory for a homeland south or southeast of Caucasus gaining popularity. Earliest Z2103 sample is from NW Iran if I'm not mistaken but we can't be sure it wasn't some intrusive element.
    In any case the language could have crossed Caucasus to the Steppe somehow and from there to N/NW Europe but others like Greek or Armenian could have come via East. Many related genetic studies are supposed to come out next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    There is also a theory for a homeland south or southeast of Caucasus gaining popularity. Earliest Z2103 sample is from NW Iran if I'm not mistaken but we can't be sure it wasn't some intrusive element.
    In any case the language could have spread via Caucasus to the Steppe somehow and from there to N/NW Europe but others like Greek or Armenian could have come via East. Many related genetic studies are supposed to come out next year.
    Going by the datings of the languages and material culture, it seems more likely that Greek and Armenian also came from the steppe. It may have been only the Anatolian branch that came from the east.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Going by the datings of the languages and material culture, it seems more likely that Greek and Armenian also came from the steppe. It may have been only the Anatolian branch that came from the east.
    I had Hittites in mind actually, Idk why I typed Armenian.
    As for Greek, I wouldn't be surprised if both branches played a part in its formation at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Going by the datings of the languages and material culture, it seems more likely that Greek and Armenian also came from the steppe. It may have been only the Anatolian branch that came from the east.
    Religion too. Hellenic mythology share many elements with Norse and Slavic paganism. Heroic poetry, ancestor worship, sky and thunder god, Dragon Slayer myth, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    I had Hittites in mind actually, Idk why I typed Armenian.
    As for Greek, I wouldn't be surprised if both branches played a part in its formation at some point.
    Well the Hittites may of as they were part of the Anatolian branch. Greek seems to have been a later PIE language and so a steppe origin with the other later PIE languages is likely, it also shares a lot of similarities linguistically to Armenian as well as material culture suggesting a steppe origin. The origin of PIE south of the Caucasus still needs a lot of evidence to back it imo, it seems that CHG admixture in the Yamnaya wasn't directly from south of the Caucasus but rather from the north Caucasus. The R1b-Z2103 Hajj_Firuz sample doesn't have the admixture associated with the near eastern admixture of the Yamnaya, it also seems to have had Yamnaya-like admixture according to Davidski from Eurogenes. I think a steppe origin of PIE is most likely.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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