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    Default Bela Kun was not Jewish

    All my life I thought Bela Kun (born Bela Kohn) was a Jew, because people always said he was. Indeed, the joke goes that the Jewish heads of the Hungarian Soviet Republic (c.1919) had Sandor Garbai, a non-Jew, as head of state, so they could have someone to sign death warrants on the Sabbath. But Kun, foreign minister and power-behind-the-throne of the brutal Hungarian communist regime, was not in fact Jewish. His dad was born Jewish, but his mother was a Protestant and he didn't even have connections to a wishy-washy branch of Judaism like reform Judaism, or, seemingly, many, if any, cultural ties to Jewishness. By halakha (traditional Jewish law), in this case not only Orthodox, but also Masorti, Conservative and Reform halakha, he was not Jewish, by his own identification he probably wasn't Jewish, by genetics, he was only as Jewish as he was Magyar.

    Just a PSA really.
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    This website says Borderline Jew: http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1678

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    This website says Borderline Jew: http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1678
    This website is not an authority and also rates fictional characters and inanimate items.

    By the actual definition, and by whether or not most Jews would view him as Jewish, he is not a Jew.
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    so your claim is that he was not Jew... because only his father was Jew??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    so your claim is that he was not Jew... because only his father was Jew??
    By law, yeah, but in the past, children born from Jewish fathers and gentile mothers are considered as Jewish which was similar in the Arab world today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    By law, yeah, but in the past, children born from Jewish fathers and gentile mothers are considered as Jewish which was similar in the Arab world today.
    Before 600BC, maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    so your claim is that he was not Jew... because only his father was Jew??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Before 600BC, maybe.
    I'm guessing that was the case during the reign of Solomon and David since the Quran mentions on the fact that both of these prophets had non-Jewish wives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    I'm guessing that was the case during the reign of Solomon and David since the Quran mentions on the fact that both of these prophets had non-Jewish wives.
    The Quran is irrelevant but more importantly the TaNaKH says it so it must be true.

    However, they ruled in the 10th century BC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    All my life I thought Bela Kun (born Bela Kohn) was a Jew, because people always said he was. Indeed, the joke goes that the Jewish heads of the Hungarian Soviet Republic (c.1919) had Sandor Garbai, a non-Jew, as head of state, so they could have someone to sign death warrants on the Sabbath. But Kun, foreign minister and power-behind-the-throne of the brutal Hungarian communist regime, was not in fact Jewish. His dad was born Jewish, but his mother was a Protestant and he didn't even have connections to a wishy-washy branch of Judaism like reform Judaism, or, seemingly, many, if any, cultural ties to Jewishness. By halakha (traditional Jewish law), in this case not only Orthodox, but also Masorti, Conservative and Reform halakha, he was not Jewish, by his own identification he probably wasn't Jewish, by genetics, he was only as Jewish as he was Magyar.

    Just a PSA really.
    Was he circumcised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Was he circumcised?
    Probably not.
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