4 GEDMatch results: Sicily (Palermo/Enna), 2 Maniot Greeks, 1 Macedonian Greek, and 1 Cretan

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Here are Oracle-4 for each:

Of Oracle-4 I needed all the population approximation, not just the first one...

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The Sicilian you posted almost overlaps with MA2208 (Bronze Age Anatolia)

[Sikeliot]

The Sicilian you posted almost overlaps with MA2208 (Bronze Age Anatolia)

Do you have the GEDmatch ID for Bronze Age Anatolian?

Do you think the similarity is coincidental, or does it signal Sicily has changed little since that era? What do you think it means?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Do you have the GEDmatch ID for Bronze Age Anatolian?

I've made a thread about it, take a look at all 3 pages:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-results

Do you think the similarity is coincidental, or does it signal Sicily has changed little since that era? What do you think it means?

I have no idea...

[Sikeliot]

I've made a thread about it, take a look at all 3 pages:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-results

I have no idea...

There was not a lot of migration into Enna or the inland part of Palermo that this person descends from so it might be that they closely match their Neolithic ancestors. This result is also close to people from Messina.

We often say Palermo is a hodge-podge of different parts of Sicily but most Palermitan results I post come from small, rural villages, not the city itself. This person is one of those.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

There was not a lot of migration into Enna or the inland part of Palermo that this person descends from so it might be that they closely match their Neolithic ancestors. This result is also close to people from Messina.

We often say Palermo is a hodge-podge of different parts of Sicily but most Palermitan results I post come from small, rural villages, not the city itself. This person is one of those.

MA2200


MA2206


MA2212 (with the other samples added)


Local Turk


I remember that another Bronze Age sample from Isparta, southwest Anatolia was uploaded last year and almost plotted on the same spot as Italian_Jewish, sadly the kit was deleted from GEDmatch. A calcolithic sample from Anatolia plotted similar to these if I remember correctly, the kit was M091434.

[Sikeliot]

MA2200
https://i.imgur.com/GEyd7nD.png

MA2206
https://i.imgur.com/W6E9HEz.png

MA2212 (with the other samples added)
https://i.imgur.com/nIx23Gb.png

Local Turk
https://i.imgur.com/wRIiVqJ.png

I remember that another Bronze Age sample from Isparta, southwest Anatolia was uploaded last year and almost plotted on the same spot as Italian_Jewish, sadly the kit was deleted from GEDmatch. A calcolithic sample from Anatolia plotted similar to these if I remember correctly, the kit was M091434.

Some Sicilians are close to "Italian Jewish" -- a minority of people from Agrigento, Messinese and Palermitans mostly.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Some Sicilians are close to "Italian Jewish" -- a minority of people from Agrigento, Messinese and Palermitans mostly.

Would Southern Italians be a more northern version of the Bronze Age Anatolians? Are they descended from them? We can not know, ancient DNA is missing.

[Sikeliot]

Would Southern Italians be a more northern version of the Bronze Age Anatolians? Are they descended from them? We can not know, ancient DNA is missing.

They might be Bronze Age Anatolian plus a minor mixture of other things (some Greek in a few places, whatever influences came down the Italian peninsula, etc).