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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    We can't tell i think because if it does exist it is beyond the of this reality but
    the Church in particular the Catholic has also used the concept of Hell in an abusive and manipulative manner.
    So it can be questioned,why not.
    What about atheists who didn't believe in hell at all ... then experienced hell during a near-death experience.. ? It's happened more than once. They came back believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    What about atheists who didn't believe in hell at all ... then experienced hell during a near-death experience.. ? It's happened more than once. They came back believers.
    Sorry how can we decide we don't even know what these Near Death Experiences are
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Sorry how can we decide we don't even know what these Near Death Experiences are
    People who have experienced them know exactly what they are... and they confirm Christian teaching about the afterlife. So, I argue we can know what they are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    People who have experienced them know exactly what they are... and they confirm Christian teaching about the afterlife. So, I argue we can know what they are...
    Maybe but Fear of Hell isn't the best way to approach God
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Maybe but Fear of Hell isn't the best way to approach God
    You're right, it isn't the best way (or motivation) to approach God. Still, it's a reality that cannot be argued away, and because it is so terrible people should be warned about it, I think. Even if only so that they won't be able to say one day that no-one told them about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    You're right, it isn't the best way (or motivation) to approach God. Still, it's a reality that cannot be argued away, and because it is so terrible people should be warned about it, I think. Even if only so that they won't be able to say one day that no-one told them about it...
    The problem with it is that sinister and shallow human characters can use and often used people's fear of Hell to manipulate them.

    Its also a perfect tool of Mind controll in the wrong hands.
    Remember what Cathaolics did in the Middle Ages when people could buy relief from Hell by paying an appropriate sum.

    This is certainly not what God wants or what would people save from Hell
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    The problem with it is that sinister and shallow human characters can use and often used people's fear of Hell to manipulate them.

    Its also a perfect tool of Mind controll in the wrong hands.
    Remember what Cathaolics did in the Middle Ages when people could buy relief from Hell by paying an appropriate sum.

    This is certainly not what God wants or what would people save from Hell
    Well... sure, but when it comes to hell... or heaven, for that matter.. it is between you and God. It is a very personal and private matter, in the end. Other people can warn about hell, but they cannot stand in the gap on your behalf before God. Every one of us have to work out our own salvation, as the Bible says... "with fear and trembling".

    Philippians 2:12

    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
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