Greek Eurogenes K13 results from Macedonia, Thessaly and Peloponnese.

[Percivalle]

Its very unprofessional and dishonest of the researchers to include Pontic Greeks and other recent immigrants in the "Greek Macedonian" average. In order to get a good sense of what Greek Macedonians are really like, a good sample needs to be taken from an area such as Grevena, Chalkidiki, or other regions where only Greeks have historically lived.

Many academic samples are taken in this way, without great accuracy of who they are really sampling. Not just this. Unfortunately.

[Sikeliot]

Not all the Greek Macedonian samples have those results though.

I excluded the ones who are Pontic or Anatolian Greek (the ones clustering with the Sicilians are probably Anatolian Greeks).

[nightrider+]

Many academic samples are taken in this way, without great accuracy of who they are really sampling. Not just this. Unfortunately.

Indeed, the 20 Greek samples that usually appear in studies are all from Athens and Thessaloniki, yet there is one of them that plots half way between Greece and Turkey (obvious Pontic Greek is obvious). Or the other study on y-dna that included "Northern Greek" samples from Nea Nikomedeia with 10% J1.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I took them from here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-GEDmatch-kits

I posted everything except the Macedonians who were Pontic/Anatolian.

In that thread I published them without checking, but I think it's clear that some are outliers or even non-locals.