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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggyolk View Post
    I think this one will be an outlier. He has more East Asian than Siberian (which is not normal for Central Asians) and has O Y-DNA haplogroup. If other Ottomans were similar to this modern day Turks would score more East Asian than Siberian but this never usually the case. He probably had Northern Han great grandfather or something
    Or Mongols, they have some O yDNA aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Or Mongols, they have some O yDNA aswell.
    Yes could be but Mongols are more Siberian than East Asian iirc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggyolk View Post
    Yes could be but Mongols are more Siberian than East Asian iirc
    Uyghurs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggyolk View Post
    I think this one will be an outlier. He has more East Asian than Siberian (which is not normal for Central Asians) and has O Y-DNA haplogroup. If other Ottomans were similar to this modern day Turks would score more East Asian than Siberian but this never usually the case. He probably had Northern Han great grandfather or something
    He plots closer to Siberians than to Turks from central Asia although on K36 is most similar to Kazakhs. Yh Ydna O does suggest east Asian paternal origin possibly from China. I also would say that other Ottoman Turks were different than this sample
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Uyghurs?
    Yes could be. Modern day Uygurs are slightly more East Asian than Siberian (20% more or so) but I don't know about Uyghur samples from back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Probably people like him interbred with Anatolian wogs and thus created the Turks of Turkey.
    They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.
    Most Anatolian Turks have East Eurasian to varying degrees, but then you have areas like Trabzon where most of them don't have a drop of Central Asian blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.
    Well, places to the east of Konya were pretty much like Assyrians and Armenians while the Black Sea coast was more like Pontic Greeks. This is how I imagine them to have been.

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    Ydna O is found in Turks like Uygurs, Kazakhs and Altaians at around 10% but it could very well be from east Asian input. Going by Ftdna sample most of the O in Turks from places like Kazakhstan is O2a2b with some O2a1c, O2a2b is mainly found among east Asians like Koreans, Chinese and Japanese whilst O2a1c is common in east Asian and south-east Asians
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggyolk View Post
    Most Anatolian Turks have East Eurasian to varying degrees, but then you have areas like Trabzon where most of them don't have a drop of Central Asian blood.
    Exactly what I was thinking about, different percentages that can vary within the country from province to province.

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