Andronovo people's phenotype

[cass]

slavs are heavily drifted, also high yamnaya ancestry doesnt equate to corded ware ancestry, slavs have low corded ware ancestry, its never beyond 60 and on average derive only 50-55, scandanvians on the other hand derive a whopping of 68-74, the more corded ware ancestry you derive the more northern european you'll look, modern germanics are basically corded ware, single grave culture+battle axe people without literally zero bell beaker input or celtic like input, expect icelandics. therefore its the scandanvians that are a accurate representation of indo iranians/corded ware looked like

I think you're deeply mistaken

[Joeary]

I think you're deeply mistaken

lol, again, genetic similarity doesnt mean much, unetice is extremely close to sintashta culture genetically, does that mean they derive their ancestry? this is pretty inaccurate, also use other corded ware populations to see the distance, thats when the real fun will begin

https://genomicatlas.org/2022/07/15/...chaeogenetics/

https://genomicatlas.org/2021/04/25/...ic-bronze-age/

i think your the one whos mistaken here, try reading up more on archaeogenetic maybe

[Joeary]

I think you're deeply mistaken

notice how theres zero celtic/bell beaker samples from scandanvia but mutliple corded ware samples? show me one sample from scandanvia that is celtic or bell beaker, than ill concede, also netherlands isnt apart of scandanvia, so dont dwell there too much

[Joeary]

I think you're deeply mistaken

another graph from a proper study and not a ammature like you that only supplements me further. modern and nordic bronze age people have predominantly corded ware haplogroups, from Neolithic single grave culture to nordic bronze age to modern age, we can see here again there are zero bell beaker/celtic haplotypes here again, also the study didnt even include any bell beaker samples from scandanvia since there never was any genetic influence from bell beakers, you have much to learn

[cass]

another graph from a proper study and not a ammature like you that only supplements me further. modern and nordic bronze age people have predominantly corded ware haplogroups, from Neolithic single grave culture to nordic bronze age to modern age, we can see here again there are zero bell beaker/celtic haplotypes here again, also the study didnt even include any bell beaker samples from scandanvia since there never was any genetic influence from bell beakers, you have much to learn

Corded ware haplogroups? That's hilarious.

The individuals from BAC and CWC contexts, including oll007 from a megalithic burial, displayed U4 and U5 mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) lineages, previously associated with Stone Age hunter–gatherers [29–34], and H1, N1a, and U3 lineages, associated with Neolithic farmers [1,32,35,36] (table 1; electronic supplementary material, table S4). This broadly coincides with the wide variety of mtDNA lineages found in other individuals from CWC contexts (e.g. [2,32]). However, the U3 and N1a lineages, which were found here (poz44 and ber2), have not been reported from individuals excavated in CWC contexts. The two males in our dataset (ber1 and poz81) belonged to Y-chromosome R1a haplogroups (table 1; electronic supplementary material, table S5), as do the majority of males (16/24) from the previously published CWC contexts (Viby in Sweden, Ardu and Kunila in Estonia, Gyvakarai and Spiginas in Lithuania, Bergrheinfeld and Esperstedt in Germany, and Brandýsek in the Czech Republic) [1,2,7,31,32,37], while a smaller fraction belonged to R1b [3/24] or I2a [3/24] lineages (Tiefbrunn and Esperstedt in Germany, Pikutkowo and Łęki Małe in Poland, and Brandýsek in the Czech Republic) [2,23,32,37]. The R1a haplogroup has not been found among Neolithic farmer populations nor in hunter–gatherer groups in central and western Europe, but it has been reported from eastern European hunter–gatherers and Eneolithic groups [1,31,32]. Individuals from the Pontic–Caspian steppe, associated with the Yamnaya Culture, carry mostly R1b and not R1a haplotypes [1,2,31,32].

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2019.1528

[Joeary]

Corded ware haplogroups? That's hilarious.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2019.1528

that still doesnt refute what ive said, corded ware were predominantly r1a-r1b, they carried r1b and r1a to northern europe i never said it originated in cwc, but the haplogroup associated with single grave culture and battle axe that modern northern europeans predominantly carry is dated earliest in corded ware culture, the r1b-u106 thats carried by scandanvians originated in corded ware, heres the sample High_Steppe_Corded_Ware_Czech_early_2914-2876BCNL001.merged_R1b-U106,0.12862,0.099522,0.050911,0.122741,-0.01693,0.046854,0.006345,-0.00185,-0.04868,-0.07162,-0.00471,0.001499,-0.00803,-0.01486,0.03393,0.008353,-0.01004,-0.00317,-0.00691,0.003126,-0.00262,0.002597,0.006532,0.02904,-0.00467, i1 comes from ertobolle culture and has nothing to with shg, which was a west hunter gatherer culture, anyways, they are the last remaining corded ware people, you are a mega retard

[cass]

Let's summarize facts.

Fact 1 indisputable.
CWC were mostly R1a carriers

source https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2019.1528
and even more the chart from unknown source you pasted above.



Fact 2 indisputable.

The structure of the y-chromosomes in present-day Scandinavia is completely different from that brought by the CWC


source
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...92867422014684


Please tell us now how you want to prove your thesis

...modern and nordic bronze age people (of Scandinavia) have predominantly corded ware haplogroups...

[Veslan]

you have no evidence of that. they were atlantid to hallstatt nordids

Altantid to hallstatt nordics with high cranial vaults? Lol, you are either clueless or trolling.

Andronovo series cranial records:


As you can see, Lenght-Height cranial index (Высотно-продольный указатель) is always above 70 for Andronovo series. This makes them way too high vaulted on average to be "atlantid to hallstatt nordic".

[Veslan]

slavs are heavily drifted, also high yamnaya ancestry doesnt equate to corded ware ancestry, slavs have low corded ware ancestry, its never beyond 60 and on average derive only 50-55, scandanvians on the other hand derive a whopping of 68-74, the more corded ware ancestry you derive the more northern european you'll look, modern germanics are basically corded ware, single grave culture+battle axe people without literally zero bell beaker input or celtic like input, expect icelandics. therefore its the scandanvians that are a accurate representation of indo iranians/corded ware looked like

Scandis would have too high WHG influence both in looks and in genetics (espacially Danes and Swedes, to lesser extent Norwegians). Also genetics don't always correlate with phenotype. Both evolve over time by the way...
Best represtation of how corded ware looked like would be some isolated ethnic groups like Erzya, not big nations like Swedes.

[Joeary]

Scandis would have too high WHG influence both in looks and in genetics (espacially Danes and Swedes, to lesser extent Norwegians). Also genetics don't always correlate with phenotype. Both evolve over time by the way...
Best represtation of how corded ware looked like would be some isolated ethnic groups like Erzya, not big nations like Swedes.

slavs in general have more hg ancestry in comparison to nords as a whole, anyways, you can look at the cases of srubanaya/andornovo who were cro magnid in features mostly yet had less additonal whg ancestry input, modern nords are definently the best representative of how they looked like for sure, there's really no such thing as "Evolution" occuring amongst phenotypes this isnt the Holocene period, what even is that lmao, try not to forget that germanics entirely descend from single grave+battle axe