Study: Ancient Icelanders mix of Celtic and Norse ancestry

[Leto]

How how? They are not Icelanders, are they? My neighbour can be racially identical to me, but if he kicks me out from my house and will move to it, would you say, that the same people are living in my house? Really?



They can be racially similar, but they are different. These are people - persons - not walking uncoucious breeding material. They have different history, provenance, families aso. They have common origin, but now they are different. It is like saying, that becasue all Indo-europeans have the same origin, you can replace Poles with Hindus, and the people will still be the same. Racially? Ok, the same, if you would replace all Poles with Ukrainians, and still it would be the same people who lived here 1000 years ago. Really would it make sense? Are you serious?



And still, you are not Icelander.



but you do, sugesting, that (partial)replacment of Icelanders by Irelanders would change nothing. It is just stupid, thinking, that Irish are/would be Icelanders, and not being able to get, that these people are distinct people, no matter what race they are of.

For fuck's sake, no one was talking about replacement. What I meant is that a few Irishmen and Norwegians wouldn't alter the country's gene pool as they are closely related to the natives. Just like a few Ukrainians in Poland won't change a thing unlike Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans, Indians, Vietnamese, etc. (I'm not even mentioning Africans).

[Ayman Vasconic]

For fuck's sake, no one was talking about replacement. What I meant is that a few Irishmen and Norwegians wouldn't alter the country's gene pool as they are closely related to the natives. Just like a few Ukrainians in Poland won't change a thing

They same few Poles or Russians wouldn't change anything there - if you mean a race. But if they would blend with other, darker people, then they would also blen well, as then would be something in the middle, and all would be looking the same - then noone would have problem. But whoever you chose, this would be other people, not the original one. I am talking about people, persons, not a walking sacks of meat with some very peculiar hidden specifics only known for people, who will tested from which farming it comes. Everyone has his own provenance, regarding meat in him. The same nations, which are founded by particular people of particular provenance - not by just anyone, even if is similar in his corporal structure.

[Aren]

Well what do you think of the kit on the previous page? Very similar to mine. On the Global 25 my closest population in moderns are to the Icelandics not ancient populations. There is definitely a connection to Gaelic populations which you are constantly trying to downplay. I have to wonder why? Of course they are Scandinavians and close to other Scandinavians but they do have Gaelic input which shows in their genetics.

Hmm why take one kit when there's an Icelandic Average on Gedmatch. Also I'm not sure why you would say something like that when we all know that everyone nowadays loves the Irish and the Celts and overplays the Irish and Celtic admix everywhere, I'm just playing the devils advocate here nothing else. Weird how you think I'm against Celts or something when people talk like that about other ethnicities and no one bats an eye. You know not everyone is a blatant Celtophile.

Eurogenes K13
Population Irish
North_Atlantic 52.23
Baltic 24.02333333
West_Med 12.39333333
West_Asian 6.32
East_Med 1.41
Red_Sea 0.823333333
South_Asian 1.09
East_Asian 0.086666667
Siberian 0.03
Amerindian 0.986666667
Oceanian 0.333333333
Northeast_African 0.18
Sub-Saharan 0.1

Population,Icelandic
North_Atlantic,51.29166667
Baltic,28.10666667
West_Med,10.81666667
West_Asian,4.288333333
East_Med,1.353333333
Red_Sea,0.74
South_Asian,1.343333333
East_Asian,0.123333333
Siberian,0.488333333
Amerindian,1.123333333
Oceanian,0.19
Northeast_African,0.001666667
Sub-Saharan,0.133333333

Population,Norwegian
North_Atlantic,51.14666667
Baltic,28.61
West_Med,9.906666667
West_Asian,5.596666667
East_Med,1.73
Red_Sea,0.43
South_Asian,0.416666667
East_Asian,0.36
Siberian,0.64
Amerindian,0.91
Oceanian,0.15
Northeast_African,0.01
Sub-Saharan,0.096666667

See basically identical to Norwegians.

[Ayman Vasconic]

You've got to admit they are quite similar.

Did I negate it somewhere? Your neighbour is also similar to you, but still you are two different families, arent't you? Welsh and English are very similar, but still, they are two different entities. You are fighting with non-existing claims.

[Leto]

They same few Poles or Russians wouldn't change anything there - if you mean a race. But if they would blend with other, darker people, then they would also blen well, as then would be something in the middle, and all would be looking the same - then noone would have problem. But whoever you chose, this would be other people, not the original one. I am talking about people, persons, not a walking sacks of meat with some very peculiar hidden specifics only known for people, who will tested from which farming it comes. Everyone has his own provenance, regarding meat in him. The same nations, which are founded by particular people of particular provenance - not by just anyone, even if is similar in his corporal structure.

Poles and Russians are not a Celtic-Norse mix.

[Ayman Vasconic]

Poles and Russians are not a Celtic-Norse mix.

It was an exaple. Situation would be the same.

[Leto]

It was an exaple. Situation would be the same.

What perspective are you arguing from? I seriously doubt that even an Icelandic ethnic nationalist would mind a handful of British and Scandinavian people living in Iceland, learning the language and assimilating culturally.

[Ayman Vasconic]

What perspective are you arguing from?

This what I said - in such and in such case people would be outsiders.

I seriously doubt that even an Icelandic ethnic nationalist would mind a handful of British and Scandinavian people living in Iceland, learning the language and assimilating culturally.

It has nothing to do with it. They could, I don;t mind. But they can;t claim, that such inhabitants would be originals.

[Creoda]

Hmm why take one kit when there's an Icelandic Average on Gedmatch. Also I'm not sure why you would say something like that when we all know that everyone nowadays loves the Irish and the Celts and overplays the Irish and Celtic admix everywhere, I'm just playing the devils advocate here nothing else. Weird how you think I'm against Celts or something when people talk like that about other ethnicities and no one bats an eye. You know not everyone is a blatant Celtophile.

Eurogenes K13
Population Irish
North_Atlantic 52.23
Baltic 24.02333333
West_Med 12.39333333
West_Asian 6.32
East_Med 1.41
Red_Sea 0.823333333
South_Asian 1.09
East_Asian 0.086666667
Siberian 0.03
Amerindian 0.986666667
Oceanian 0.333333333
Northeast_African 0.18
Sub-Saharan 0.1

Population,Icelandic
North_Atlantic,51.29166667
Baltic,28.10666667
West_Med,10.81666667
West_Asian,4.288333333
East_Med,1.353333333
Red_Sea,0.74
South_Asian,1.343333333
East_Asian,0.123333333
Siberian,0.488333333
Amerindian,1.123333333
Oceanian,0.19
Northeast_African,0.001666667
Sub-Saharan,0.133333333

Population,Norwegian
North_Atlantic,51.14666667
Baltic,28.61
West_Med,9.906666667
West_Asian,5.596666667
East_Med,1.73
Red_Sea,0.43
South_Asian,0.416666667
East_Asian,0.36
Siberian,0.64
Amerindian,0.91
Oceanian,0.15
Northeast_African,0.01
Sub-Saharan,0.096666667

See basically identical to Norwegians.

Almost identical to my dad's K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.56
2 Baltic 28.02
3 West_Med 12.6
4 West_Asian 3.06
5 East_Med 2.27
6 South_Asian 1.09
7 Oceanian 0.65
8 Amerindian 0.53
9 Sub-Saharan 0.22

[Morena]

Doesn't this confirm what we already knew from their history? Very interesting.