Russian-American AncestryDNA Results

[Peterski]

Where is her Polish German from?

And her Polish-born great-grandmother was not even an ethnic Pole (surname Hoffmann)

Is surname the only reason why you assume she was German?

That says nothing about overall ethnicity, lots of Polish people have surnames of German origin.

Hoffmann is a common surname in my region (Wielkopolska).

[Leto]

Where is her Polish German from?



Is surname the only reason why you assume she was German?

That says nothing about overall ethnicity, lots of Polish people have surnames of German origin.

Hoffmann is a common surname in my region (Wielkopolska).

She was born in Suprasl, as far as I remember.

[Peterski]

She was born in Suprasl, as far as I remember.

As for German surnames in Poland, check for example my thread about the Posener Aufstand (uprising of Polish people against Prussian rule in Provinz Posen of the German Empire in 1918-19) in the link below:

Around 10% of Polish insurgents had German surnames:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5147778

Interestingly ca. 1/10 of Polish insurgents who died in the Greater Poland Uprising had German surnames.

Here is a list of all insurgents who died (including some listed as "NN" because their names are unknown):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._1920_roku.pdf

https://depot.ceon.pl/bitstream/hand...pdf?sequence=1

Of the ones whose surnames are known, 1/10 have surnames of German (or Scottish in few cases) origin:

8. Albrecht Stanisław
36. Apelbaum Roman
40. Bajer Leon
83. Bauza Jerzy
97. Becker Stanisław
104. Bernau Kazimierz
112. Bierwagen Henryk
145. Böhm Władysław
169. Bötcher Ignacy
170. Brajer Jan
171. Brauer Michał
172. Braun Franciszek
179. Brungart Stanisław
254. Codrow (mother's surname: Szulc) Józef
294. Eichstaedt (later changed to Dąbrowski) Stefan
300. Deier Michał
305. Deutsch Kazimierz
306. Deutsch Kazimierz (2nd)
317. Doecker Jan
353. Düsterhöf Michał
368. Estrych Augustyn
373. Felgebel Leon
375. Fender Brunon
379. Fietzner Władysław
388. Finc Ignacy
390. Fiszer Edward
391. Fiszer Józef
392. Flieger Stefan
398. Franke Władysław
411. Frischke Marian
412. Froehlich
413. Fromm Wiktor
423. Galant Wincenty
441. Gehrka Władysław
449. Gimpertowicz Józef
455. Glasner Wacław
456. Glüger
510. Gross Konrad
519. Grützmacher Edmund
539. Gunderman Tadeusz
547. Haller Czesław
554. Hasse Konstanty
556. Heinsch Jan
557. Heintsch Augustyn
559. Heller Aleksander
562. Henke Wiktor
563. Henschke Józef
565. Herzog Leon
567. Hoffman Marian
568. Hoffman Michał
570. Hoppel Wincenty
581. Ikert Józef
582. Ilart Jan
588. Jachman Walenty
605. Janke Stanisław
611. Jansen Henryk
632. Jauer Józef
635. Jenchen Antoni
657. Juhnke Leon
691. Kalke W.
708. Karge Józef
720. Katella
721. Kaus Jan
722. Kaus Władysław
723. Kauzug Stanisław
748. Kierstein Roman Franciszek
754. Klatt Jan
756. Kleiber Stanisław
764. Klinger Jan
778. Knak Wojciech
779. Knappe Leon
780. Koch Henryk
781. Koch Stanisław
805. Konitzer Leon
830. Koschel Karol
875. Kracner Franciszek
879. Kranc Alojzy
880. Krauke Andrzej
881. Krause Edmund
882. Krause Michał
883. Krenc Leonard
884. Krentz Wojciech
935. Kuffel Ludwik
953. Kunert Józef
965. Kurzerl Józef
971. Kutschenreiter Otto
983. Kycler Walenty
985. Lasch (later changed to Lacek)
986. Lachera Piotr
987. Lachera Stanisław
988. Lacherny Walenty
990. Lang Wiktor
992. Lautenszlager Grzegorz
995. Leister Wawrzyn
997. Lekier Wincenty
1017. Liebest (Lübest)
1026. Lorenc Andrzej
1027. Lorenc Wacław
1081. Maeusel (Maensel) Seweryn
1082. Miaeusel Stanisław
1090. Majerowicz Mieczysław
1114. Mann Korneliusz
1128. Martinek Jan
1156. Meller Aleksander
1158. Mencel Jan
1159. Mencel Stanisław
1160. Mencel Wincenty
1165. Mettler Władysław
1197. Minczke Paweł
1209. Moellenbrock Józef
1212. Morison Franciszek
1221. Müller Ferdynand
1222. Müller Marian
1223. Münschke Paweł
1473. Otto Jan
1485. Paetzold Stanisław
1497. Pauter (Panter) Franciszek
1503. Paschke (Paszke) Edmund
1504. Paschke (Paszke) Józef
1536. Peterknehl Adolf
1568. Pikel Józef
1592. Pohl Stanisław
1615. Preis Aleksander
1637. Putz Stanisław
1666. Rau Jan
1667. Rausch Władysław
1671. Reich Piotr
1672. Reinsz Wincenty
1675. Richter Franciszek
1676. Rissmann Wiktor
1687. Romel Walenty
1726. Rysman (Rissmann) Wiktor
1727. Ryster Władysław
1738. Schmidt (Szmyt) Franciszek
1739. Seiler Maksymilian
1740. Seker (Secker) Wincenty
1746. Sewohl Anna
1748. Siebert Stanisław
1803. Snella Franciszek
1804. Snella Jan
1805. Snella Wincenty
1822. Sommer Franciszek
1827. Specht Józef
1828. Speier (Speyer) Jakub
1829. Springer Jan
1848. Steinberg Paweł
1850. Stelter Ernest
1861. Streck Gustaw
1868. Stürmer Andrzej
1901. Szeffler
1902. Szefner Franciszek
1904. Szemberg Marian
1913. Szmidereit Michał
1914. Szmytkowski Władysław
1920. Szrajter Władysław
1922. Szturmer Andrzej
1926. Szulc Stefan
1927. Szulczyński Jan
1928. Szulz Stanisław
1929. Szulz Władysław
1931. Szwajerek Marcin
1955. Szymlet Stanisław
1986. Tabat Tomasz
1993. Tamul (Tammel) Szczepan
2000. Tetzlaff Władysław
2001. Thiede Bruno
2002. Thomas Stanisław
2006. Tomas Henryk
2007. Tomas Jan
2034. Tycner Walenty
2049. Vogt Piotr
2055. Wachtel Mariusz Józef
2056. Wagnerowski Marcin
2077. Wandt Leon
2078. Wangenmann Józef
2096. Weber Antoni
2097. Weber Marian
2098. Wechterowicz Józef
2099. Wegnerowski Marcin
2100. Weiman Franciszek
2101. Weinkauf Franciszek
2102. Weis Jan
2103. Weis Kazimierz
2104. Weiss Franciszek
2105. Wejman Adam
2106. Wekert Edmund
2107. Welke Ignacy
2110. Wendland Franciszek
2125. Wick Ludwik
2150. Wilhelm Franciszek
2151. Wilhelm Stefan
2152. Wilke Benjamin
2174. Witmann Ludwik
2175. Wittmann Stefan
2176. Wiza Wacław
2177. Wize Jędrzej
2260. Zerbst Julian
2279. Zyber Wojciech

You can't accuse them of being German if they were Polish patriots fighting against German rule.

Some of the surnames are unaltered German, others are Polonized German.

Note also the prevalence of typically Polish given names.

[Peterski]

How common are Polish surnames in Belarus? Is there an easy way to distinguish them? Marcinkiewicz - they guy you recommended me to contact - has a Polish surname? Or is it Belarusian?

[Leto]

As for German surnames in Poland, check for example my thread about the Posener Aufstand (uprising of Polish people against Prussian rule in Provinz Posen of the German Empire in 1918-19) in the link below:

Around 10% of Polish insurgents had German surnames:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5147778



You can't accuse them of being German if they were Polish patriots fighting against German rule.

Some of the surnames are unaltered German, others are Polonized German.

Note also the prevalence of typically Polish given names.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, lol. However, Bertha Hoffman doesn't sound Polish to me at all.

[Peterski]

However, Bertha Hoffman doesn't sound Polish to me at all.

Yeah, given name (Bertha) is a better indicator.

Was she a German from Congress Poland?

[Leto]

How common are Polish surnames in Belarus? Is there an easy way to distinguish them? Marcinkiewicz - they guy you recommended me to contact - has a Polish surname? Or is it Belarusian?

Honestly I think -wicz is mostly Eastern (east of Warsaw) originally. I have this ending myself.

[Leto]

Her GEDmatch results:

MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 32.97
2 Neolithic 23.4
3 Steppe 20.23
4 Caucasian 19.18
5 Siberian 2.29
6 Amerindian 0.75
7 Arctic 0.67
8 Oceanic 0.48
9 Australian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 2.13
2 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 2.77
3 Pole (WestPoland) 2.82
4 Belarusian (Belarus) 3.31
5 Russian (CentralRussia) 3.45
6 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 3.49
7 Sorb (Lusatia) 3.5
8 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 3.52
9 Pole (Poland) 3.79
10 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 3.93
11 Pole (Wroclaw) 3.96
12 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 3.99
13 Pole (EastPoland) 4.01
14 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 4.04
15 Cossack (Kuban) 4.29
16 Swede (Sweden) 4.51
17 Finn (WestFinland) 4.59
18 Russian (Tver) 4.63
19 Russian (SouthRussia) 4.73
20 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 41% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) @ 1.29
2 69.3% Pole (WestPoland) + 30.7% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 1.32
3 63.6% Sorb (Lusatia) + 36.4% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 1.4
4 51.3% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 48.7% Estonian (Estonia) @ 1.52
5 76.3% Pole (WestPoland) + 23.7% Finn (Kuusamo) @ 1.53
6 86.2% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 13.8% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 1.57
7 63.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 36.4% Estonian (Estonia) @ 1.58
8 60.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 39.8% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 1.58
9 72.3% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 27.7% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.6
10 71.1% Sorb (Lusatia) + 28.9% Finn (Kuusamo) @ 1.63
11 74.3% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 25.7% Cossack (Kuban) @ 1.64
12 82.5% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 17.5% Hungarian (WestUkraine) @ 1.65
13 77.2% Estonian (Estonia) + 22.8% Italian (Bergamo) @ 1.65
14 83% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 17% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 1.66
15 59.4% Belarusian (Belarus) + 40.6% Swede (Sweden) @ 1.66
16 91.1% Belarusian (Belarus) + 8.9% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 1.67
17 86.4% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 13.6% Irish (Munster) @ 1.68
18 82.5% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 17.5% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.68
19 87.2% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 12.8% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 1.69
20 82.7% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 17.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 1.69


puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 65.98
2 Mediterranean 18.68
3 Caucasian 5.57
4 SW_Asian 2.97
5 Siberian 2.83
6 E_Asian 0.99
7 Horn_Of_Africa 0.99
8 Beringian 0.94
9 Oceanian 0.39
10 S_Indian 0.34
11 Amerindian 0.17
12 Omo_River 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belarusian 3.33
2 Russian 3.65
3 Mordovian 4.04
4 Karelian 4.75
5 Finnish 5.47
6 Polish 5.54
7 Lithuanian 7.35
8 Swedish 8.49
9 Norwegian 10.81
10 North_German 11.71
11 Slovenian 12.61
12 Austrian 13.06
13 Scottish 13.1
14 Orcadian 13.45
15 Hungarian 13.68
16 Irish 14.05
17 English 14.45
18 Croatian 15.74
19 Utahn_White 17.7
20 South_German 18.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.8% Russian + 38.2% Polish @ 1.64
2 59% Mordovian + 41% Polish @ 1.7
3 50.3% Finnish + 49.7% Polish @ 1.9
4 54.5% Karelian + 45.5% Polish @ 2
5 97% Belarusian + 3% Dolgan @ 2.05
6 93.4% Belarusian + 6.6% Brazilian @ 2.09
7 95.8% Belarusian + 4.2% Sardinian @ 2.09
8 93.1% Belarusian + 6.9% Portuguese @ 2.1
9 92.6% Belarusian + 7.4% Spaniard @ 2.13
10 91.4% Belarusian + 8.6% Macedonian @ 2.15
11 96.9% Belarusian + 3.1% Koryak @ 2.15
12 93% Belarusian + 7% Italian @ 2.15
13 92% Belarusian + 8% Bulgarian @ 2.16
14 93.9% Belarusian + 6.1% Albanian @ 2.16
15 91.9% Belarusian + 8.1% Romanian @ 2.17
16 95% Belarusian + 5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 2.17
17 95.2% Belarusian + 4.8% Sicilian @ 2.18
18 92.5% Belarusian + 7.5% Montenegrin @ 2.18
19 89.5% Belarusian + 10.5% French @ 2.19
20 95.4% Belarusian + 4.6% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.19

[Leto]

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 48.59
2 North_Atlantic 24.96
3 West_Med 11.42
4 West_Asian 5.38
5 Siberian 3.39
6 East_Med 2.82
7 East_Asian 1.62
8 Oceanian 0.93
9 Amerindian 0.47
10 Red_Sea 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Estonian_Polish 4.98
2 Southwest_Russian 5.07
3 Russian_Smolensk 5.18
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.91
5 Kargopol_Russian 5.95
6 Ukrainian 6.24
7 Belorussian 6.42
8 Polish 6.83
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.46
10 Erzya 7.75
11 Lithuanian 7.93
12 South_Polish 8.79
13 Estonian 9.13
14 East_Finnish 10.57
15 Finnish 11.25
16 Croatian 13.6
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.85
18 Moldavian 15.9
19 Hungarian 17.9
20 East_German 19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% Ukrainian + 42.6% Erzya @ 3.64
2 54.3% Polish + 45.7% Erzya @ 3.8
3 52% Kargopol_Russian + 48% Ukrainian @ 3.94
4 69.7% Estonian_Polish + 30.3% Erzya @ 4.07
5 95.4% Estonian_Polish + 4.6% Hakas @ 4.11
6 96.2% Estonian_Polish + 3.8% Mongolian @ 4.11
7 95.1% Estonian_Polish + 4.9% Kazakh @ 4.12
8 96.5% Estonian_Polish + 3.5% Buryat @ 4.12
9 67.7% Russian_Smolensk + 32.3% Erzya @ 4.12
10 57.9% Russian_Smolensk + 42.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.14
11 95.9% Estonian_Polish + 4.1% Altaian @ 4.14
12 95.5% Estonian_Polish + 4.5% Kirgiz @ 4.15
13 96.4% Estonian_Polish + 3.6% Tuvinian @ 4.15
14 60.9% Estonian_Polish + 39.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.16
15 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Hezhen @ 4.18
16 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Xibo @ 4.18
17 96.6% Russian_Smolensk + 3.4% Oroqen @ 4.18
18 97% Estonian_Polish + 3% Oroqen @ 4.19
19 89% Estonian_Polish + 11% Chuvash @ 4.19
20 88% Estonian_Polish + 12% Tatar @ 4.2

[Peterski]

Honestly I think -wicz is mostly Eastern (east of Warsaw) originally. I have this ending myself.

So it is Mazovian? Mazovians are still Polish, even though genetically Baltic-shifted. It does not sound Belarusian to me but maybe there are some surnames that are both Polish and Belarusian.

This guy - nicks olszak and olszak-przytycki - is researching the origin of surnames in Poland:

https://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-viewt...459aa81c.phtml

But I have doubts about reliability (he is an amateur and his methodology is not clear to me).

He is mostly on forum gazeta.pl and forum genealodzy.pl I think.

This website ("Stankiewicze & friends" Genealogy) is more reliable:

http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=44

About Marcinkiewicz (name found in Poland since the 13th century):

http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=44&sub=812

"Marcinkiewicz - w grupie nazwisk pochodzących od imienia Marcin. Imię pochodzi od łacińskiego Martinus i oznaczało pierwotnie ‘należący do boga wojny Marsa’. W Polsce notowane od XIII wieku. Obok formy Macin spotyka się w średniowieczu Mercin, Morcin, Martyn."