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    I have talked with turks in real life about it once.
    And they don't deny the killing of armenians. Just for them it was a war operation. As armenians rebels and side with russians during the war. Turkish army took action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    It was Kurdo-Armenian civil war it seems. RIP Armenian vicitims
    This was not a civil since the Armenians were not attempting to take political control of all of Anatolia. The Armenians never invaded Turkey. It was the Turks who invaded Armenia and started massacring its people through a systematically organised state sponsored genocide beyond the scale of even Adolf Hitler.

    The Kurds were incited to murder Armenians by being read passages form the the hate filled Koran by Ataturk and his speak writer. More pre-meditated genocide. Then Ataturk turn on the Kurds. His repression of Kurdish nationalism and even Kurdish identity was savage and predatory.

    I should add there was no Turkey and NO more Ottoman empire at the time. The Turks attacked an independent Armenia in order to exterminate its people and seize the land. Even the ottoman empire recognised Armenian and its territory.

    This genocide had nothing to do with the Russians. In fact the bloodthirsty murderer Kemal Attatur was even negotiating an alliance with the Russians at the time.

    Besides Balkans, Turkey is the most hated country in the middle east next to Israel. The Arabs still remember the savage and babaric way they were treated by the Turks.

    Lebanese president condemns Ottoman occupation, sparking Turkish anger
    Sep 02 2019

    Turkey has criticised Lebanese President Michel Aoun after he made a speech lamenting what he called state terror practiced by the Ottoman Empire during its four-century rule of the region.

    “The state terror practiced by the Ottomans against the Lebanese, especially during World War One, caused hundreds of thousands of victims between famine, conscription and forced labour, without omitting the gallows through which they wanted to annihilate the spirit of emancipation and rebellion,” Aoun said.
    https://ahvalnews.com/lebanon-turkey...-turkish-anger


    And recently a Jewish historian publiced a book claiming the Turks were more sadist than the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post

    5. Max von Oppenheim was the man that pioneered the genocide strategy and he was Jewish.
    Why troll about something like this? He wasn't Jewish. His dad was born Jewish and converted to Catholicism. His mother had no connection to Jews, ethnic or otherwise. He wasn't in a position to design anything like that. The only source connecting him to the event is a letter from a high ranking Brit, alleging that he vocally supported such actions in Mosques after they had begun. The idea that the Ottomans were going to trust this guy with something like that is beyond how retarded your other posts are, and that's saying something.

    6. Young Turks were heavily influenced by wealthy Jewish businessmen from Greece.
    Conspiracy theorists love using vague, borderline meaningless terms like "influenced". Show what you're talking about.

    The only Jew that I'm aware of who had any connection to the Armenian Genocide was Morgenthau - who tried to stop it.

    The American government however, not wanting to get dragged into disputes, remained a neutral power in the conflict at the time and voiced little official reaction. Morgenthau held high-level meetings with the leaders of the Ottoman Empire to help alleviate the position of the Armenians, but the Turks waived and ignored his protestations. He famously admonished the Ottoman Interior Minister Talaat Pasha, stating: "Our people will never forget these massacres."[15] As the massacres continued unabated, Morgenthau and several other Americans decided to form a public fund-raising committee to assist the Armenians – the Committee on Armenian Atrocities (later renamed the Near East Relief) – raising over $100 million in aid, the equivalent of $1 billion today. Through his friendship with Adolph Ochs, publisher of the New York Times, Morgenthau also ensured that the massacres continued to receive prominent coverage. The New York Times published 145 articles in 1915 alone.[16]

    Exasperated with his relationship with the Ottoman government, he resigned from the ambassadorship in 1916. Looking back on that decision in his The Murder of a Nation, he wrote he had come to see Turkey as "a place of horror. I had reached the end of my resources. I found intolerable my further daily association with men, however gracious and accommodating…who were still reeking with the blood of nearly a million human beings."[17] He published his conversations with Ottoman leaders and his account of the Armenian genocide in 1918 under the title Ambassador Morgenthau's Story.[18]
    In June 1917 (((Felix Frankfurter))) accompanied Morgenthau, as a representative of the War Department, on a secret mission to persuade Turkey to abandon the Central Powers in the war effort. The mission had as its stated purpose to "ameliorate the condition of the Jewish communities in Palestine".[19] In 1918 Morgenthau gave public speeches in the United States warning that the Greeks and Assyrians were being subjected to the "same methods" of deportation and "wholesale massacre" as the Armenians, and that two million Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians had already perished.[20]
    All this talk about Jews trying to drag the US into wars , and the one time it was arguably true, was to save Armenians.
    All this talk about American Jews using US foreign policy in the Middle East to help Israelis, the one time such a lie did occur was to help Armenians under the pretense of helping Jews.

    Only an utter mental gutter like TA can twist the truth this much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    I have talked with turks in real life about it once.
    And they don't deny the killing of armenians. Just for them it was a war operation. As armenians rebels and side with russians during the war. Turkish army took action.
    The same I had a turk neighbor he said that Armenians had killed a lot of Turks before that genocide happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Why troll about something like this? He wasn't Jewish. His dad was born Jewish and converted to Catholicism. His mother had no connection to Jews, ethnic or otherwise. He wasn't in a position to design anything like that. The only source connecting him to the event is a letter from a high ranking Brit, alleging that he vocally supported such actions in Mosques after they had begun. The idea that the Ottomans were going to trust this guy with something like that is beyond how retarded your other posts are, and that's saying something.
    You are retarded. His dad only converted for marrying his mother. Kaiser Willy literally asked the Ottomans to call Jihad against the British and the French and get Turks and Arabs to attack them. He did this at the advice of his Mideast consultant Max Oppenheim.

    It was Kaiser Wilhelms view that the British and the French, all shared one colossal Achilles heel: they each ... ruled over millions of unruly Muslim subjects, whose resentment at being dictated to by infidels might easily be inflamed in a European war. A plan, devised by Max von Oppenheim, called on the Germans and Muslims to fight together shoulder to shoulder, for their very existence to win the greatest war that has ever erupted on this earth.
    https://www.ft.com/content/0b986f4a-...f-00144feabdc0

    This 'Holy War' led to multiple genocides of Christian populations by the Young Turk government, these genocides included the ones against Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians all Christian groups. The aim however was supposed to be against the British.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Conspiracy theorists love using vague, borderline meaningless terms like "influenced". Show what you're talking about.
    The Russians had plans to create a new Orthodox Middle East. The Armenian and Greek Christians would've been the new leaders.

    Jews were loyal to the Ottoman Empire since the beginning, they fled to Thessaloniki, which remained under Ottoman rule until 1912. They were totally anti-Greek and were fully against Russia's plan. The Muslim and Jewish quarters of Smyrna remained unscathed while the Greek and Armenian quarters burned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    The only Jew that I'm aware of who had any connection to the Armenian Genocide was Morgenthau - who tried to stop it.
    You omitted the Morgenthau Plan, which explicitly wanted to wipe Germans out. The German people have this man to thank for stopping the Morgenthau plan.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    All this talk about Jews trying to drag the US into wars , and the one time it was arguably true, was to save Armenians. All this talk about American Jews using US foreign policy in the Middle East to help Israelis, the one time such a lie did occur was to help Armenians under the pretense of helping Jews.
    The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Only an utter mental gutter like TA can twist the truth this much.
    Why do Jews think they are welcome here? This is unbridled, unrestricted, free speech.

    Here is the place where you'll find like minded company, go troll there.

    https://www.reddit.com/
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    We GrecoRomansIberians once did the mistake of civilizing these cave-dwellers ,I suggest we make an alliance with muslims to accelerate their takeover

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    Yes, it did happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    The same I had a turk neighbor he said that Armenians had killed a lot of Turks before that genocide happens.
    For the Armenians the genocide of 1915 was the culmination of endless massacres and attempts at destruction as Muslim Turks took over their land and worked to completely obliterate them. Massacres, marches, enslavement, rape, torture, pillage and burning preceded this horrendous death march that Turks refuse to acknowledge even today.

    In the 11th century Vaspourakan was ravaged by the Turks, and Ardzen, a wealthy city was plundered and torched with 150,000 enslaved. The Seljuk Turks then the Ottoman/Osmanli Turks carried out endless attacks.

    In 1894 -1896 Turks attacked Armenian villages and massacred inhabitants (the Hamidian massacres). Massacres first occurred in Sasun, Istanbul, Trebiznd, Erurum, Urfa. The Armenians, already paying tribute to the Kurds, refused to pay further tribute to the Turkish authorities in Sasun. Turkish troops, Kurds and the Muslim population slaughtered the Sasun Armenians, raped the females, dashed children to death and burnt down villages. The Turkish commander Zeki Pasha was rewarded by the sultan (Bostom p 667).

    Britain, France and Russia were upset and demanded reforms...the sultan pretended to accept watered-down reforms with many paper promises – he needed help to stave off Russian interference re the Orthodox Christian ‘dhimmi’ populations of Greeks, Serbs, and Armenians and hoped for western support.

    A series of organised massacres (beginning and ending with a bugle call) occurred throughout eastern Turkey in the Armenian areas with 50,000-100,000 killed and shops etc destroyed.(Bostom p 667- 669). Preaching from mosques encouraged the attackers and promised them the rewards of Armenian property as allah decreed.

    In Urfa, koranic verses were recited before people had their throats slit and women and children were burnt alive (8 thousand died) (Bostom p 669-670).

    Massacres also occurred at Ayintab, Birecik, and Severek in Aleppo Province: (Aleppo city today is in Syria just S of Turkish border). The report of the British consul notes re Ayintab

    “the butchers and tanners, with sleeves tucked up to the shoulders, armed with clubs and cleaves, cut down the Christians , with cries of ‘allahu akbar.’.....then when mid-day came they knelt down and said their prayers, and then jumped up and resumed their dreadful work......they fired the houses with petroleum.”..(Bostom p 670)

    Soldiers and Muslims participated in the massacres at Birecik and Severek where the sexton and pastor were beheaded. (Bostom p 671)

    In 1909, Armenians were massacred in Alana (S. Turkey) killing 15,000-30,000. Assyrians and Greeks were also attacked. Read the article "Slaughter of Christians in Asia Minor from the NYTimes 22/8/09 reproduced on this site 25/12/09 for the report of a witness to the aftermath -the sadism described by those who suffered it is trully distressing as is the utter destruction of villages.

    1915-17: Armenian genocide: During WWI the ‘young Turks’ aimed to deport all Armenians from Anatolia to Mesopotamia—massacres, rape, kidnapping and looting accompanied the forced expulsion or DEATH MARCH along with starvation, illness, and even suicide. Eyewitness accounts verify the genocide.

    The plight of the Armenians under centuries of vicious Islamic persecution is so utterly tragic. The fact that any Armenians survive is a miracle.
    [img]https://miro.medium.com/max/1440/1*f5rLGmUIQWBo0MoaIIkNvw.gif[/img]

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    For the Armenians the genocide of 1915 was the culmination of endless massacres and attempts at destruction as Muslim Turks took over their land and worked to completely obliterate them. Massacres, marches, enslavement, rape, torture, pillage and burning preceded this horrendous death march that Turks refuse to acknowledge even today.

    In the 11th century Vaspourakan was ravaged by the Turks, and Ardzen, a wealthy city was plundered and torched with 150,000 enslaved. The Seljuk Turks then the Ottoman/Osmanli Turks carried out endless attacks.

    In 1894 -1896 Turks attacked Armenian villages and massacred inhabitants (the Hamidian massacres). Massacres first occurred in Sasun, Istanbul, Trebiznd, Erurum, Urfa. The Armenians, already paying tribute to the Kurds, refused to pay further tribute to the Turkish authorities in Sasun. Turkish troops, Kurds and the Muslim population slaughtered the Sasun Armenians, raped the females, dashed children to death and burnt down villages. The Turkish commander Zeki Pasha was rewarded by the sultan (Bostom p 667).

    Britain, France and Russia were upset and demanded reforms...the sultan pretended to accept watered-down reforms with many paper promises – he needed help to stave off Russian interference re the Orthodox Christian ‘dhimmi’ populations of Greeks, Serbs, and Armenians and hoped for western support.

    A series of organised massacres (beginning and ending with a bugle call) occurred throughout eastern Turkey in the Armenian areas with 50,000-100,000 killed and shops etc destroyed.(Bostom p 667- 669). Preaching from mosques encouraged the attackers and promised them the rewards of Armenian property as allah decreed.

    In Urfa, koranic verses were recited before people had their throats slit and women and children were burnt alive (8 thousand died) (Bostom p 669-670).

    Massacres also occurred at Ayintab, Birecik, and Severek in Aleppo Province: (Aleppo city today is in Syria just S of Turkish border). The report of the British consul notes re Ayintab

    “the butchers and tanners, with sleeves tucked up to the shoulders, armed with clubs and cleaves, cut down the Christians , with cries of ‘allahu akbar.’.....then when mid-day came they knelt down and said their prayers, and then jumped up and resumed their dreadful work......they fired the houses with petroleum.”..(Bostom p 670)

    Soldiers and Muslims participated in the massacres at Birecik and Severek where the sexton and pastor were beheaded. (Bostom p 671)

    In 1909, Armenians were massacred in Alana (S. Turkey) killing 15,000-30,000. Assyrians and Greeks were also attacked. Read the article "Slaughter of Christians in Asia Minor from the NYTimes 22/8/09 reproduced on this site 25/12/09 for the report of a witness to the aftermath -the sadism described by those who suffered it is trully distressing as is the utter destruction of villages.

    1915-17: Armenian genocide: During WWI the ‘young Turks’ aimed to deport all Armenians from Anatolia to Mesopotamia—massacres, rape, kidnapping and looting accompanied the forced expulsion or DEATH MARCH along with starvation, illness, and even suicide. Eyewitness accounts verify the genocide.

    The plight of the Armenians under centuries of vicious Islamic persecution is so utterly tragic. The fact that any Armenians survive is a miracle.
    You know a lot about the Armenian Genocide, and it's much appreciated.

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    The main leader who carried out the genocide was a pomak in origin... shamefully another one was also Albanian, but the Albanian state didnt participate, during those times there were a lot of traitors Im not saying helping Turkey is a bad thing but it is bad when its to end a nation e.g. genocide.


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    First strike against the Armenians. In 1890, 2.5 million Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire. The Russian empire supports the Armenian community and their attempts for autonomy, as it aims to weaken the Ottoman state. Due to the rapid expansion of the autonomy movement, Sultan Abdul Hamid II is taking action to retain power over the territories inhabited by Armenians.
    In its attempts to spark a conflict, the High Gate has incited the Kurdish population against its Armenian neighbors. After the Kurds' massacre, the Armenians raised an uprising, which was suppressed by a regular Turkish asker and a Kurdish bashibozuk. During the suppression of the uprising in 1894, 50,000 Armenians died and many villages were set on fire. The degree of guilt of the Turkish government in these events is not well understood and is the subject of controversy, but it is undisputed that the atrocities against the Armenian community are carried out with the tacit consent of the Ottoman authorities. Two years later, Armenian revolutionaries seized the Ottoman Bank building in Constantinople to draw the international community's attention to the situation of their countrymen in the Ottoman Empire. Second strike against the Armenians. Russia and Turkey enter World War I as enemies. Turkish authorities consider Armenians in the country as Russia's "fifth column". In February 1915, all 60,000 mobilized Armenian soldiers were imprisoned in labor camps and subsequently killed. Armenians in the immediate vicinity of the front, as well as others from the interior of the country, set off on foot through the inhospitable desert lands of Syria and Mesopotamia. According to other sources, they were forcibly deported to caravans and surrounded by Turkish soldiers, after which they were killed purposefully on the road and in camps, incl. by starvation. Many Armenians have been killed and survivors of the end of the war cannot return to their homes. These Armenians emigrated to the Russian part of Armenia or Western Europe, North America and Australia. Disputes between Armenia and Turkey over the events surrounding the Armenian genocide are still pending. Armenia claims that the events that led to the pogrom against the Armenians are very well planned by the Turkish authorities and this entitles them to be classified as genocide. Turkey, on the other hand, still claims that the events of the First World War were not genocide, but that only some of the Turkish military had "gone a little further in their actions." In connection with Turkey's EU membership talks, Turkey's recognition of Armenian genocide has also been raised by renowned Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk, who said in a Turkish weekly in early 2005 that Turkey is responsible for the genocide over Armenians, killing over one million people. Genocide was the right word for deliberate and systematic action by the Ottoman Empire during World War I and shortly afterwards on the Armenian population. The Armenian genocide was characterized by massacres and forced mass deportation of more than 1,000,000 Armenians perpetrated by the Young Turks in the period 1915 and 1916. The casualties during this period are about 300,000 people The casualties during this period are about 300,000 people. In Bulgaria alone, 20,000 Armenians fled in the period 1894-1896. During the Balkan War (1912 - 1913), the number of Armenians in Bulgaria reached 35,000 and continued to grow. After the events of 1915 and 1922, another 22,000 Armenians settled in Bulgaria. Over the years, many Bulgarian Armenians have been displaced around the world, but many remain in Bulgaria.

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