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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Trudeau is gone in the next election. Conservatives won by a landslide in the Ontario elections last week, over 70% votes. Majority of Canada’s population lives in Ontario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    If you think harder you can figure it out. And it isn't Americans, lots of folks globally do not want NK armed.
    This is just imperialism, Kmack. You know this. Either no nation should have nukes, or all nations should be able to develop them. The NPT is bullshit for countries that already have nukes to stay in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Garvey View Post
    This is just imperialism, Kmack. You know this. Either no nation should have nukes, or all nations should be able to develop them. The NPT is bullshit for countries that already have nukes to stay in power.
    No. Not even in the same solar system as imperialism. It doesn't work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    No. Not even in the same solar system as imperialism. It doesn't work that way.
    I'd just like you to justify how a country that has invaded tens of countries in less than 100 years is less of a global threat than a country that hasn't invaded anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Garvey View Post
    I'd just like you to justify how a country that has invaded tens of countries in less than 100 years is less of a global threat than a country that hasn't invaded anyone.
    Fair point although they would see it as more like spreading democracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Garvey View Post
    I'd just like you to justify how a country that has invaded tens of countries in less than 100 years is less of a global threat than a country that hasn't invaded anyone.
    Why? Enjoy Sweden and living under the Nuclear Umbrella protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    Why? Enjoy Sweden and living under the Nuclear Umbrella protection.
    I'd prefer Sweden to have its own nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Trudeau is gone in the next election. Conservatives won by a landslide in the Ontario elections last week, over 70% votes. Majority of Canada’s population lives in Ontario.
    Good to know, this Trudeau guy seens to be a lot worts than Obama and Killary combined

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    Hopefully Kim wants to join the modern world. It does take a lot of time to de nuke your facilities and deactivate/destroy bombs. So we shall see.
    All Kim needs to do is look at China, or Vietnam and see how much money his government can make.......if they are open to stabilization, some transparency, improving infrastructure etc. A lot of foreign investment would come in, if they can be trusted and play ball.
    North Korea wants to join the modern world. Kim Jong Un was educated in Switzerland, he knows what North Korea is missing out on. I think he spent enough years in isolation and built enough leverage with the nukes to secure a lasting peace.

    No other president except Trump could've accomplished this, by their own actions and by the perception of them by the public. If Obama tried something like this, he'd be seen as cowering and surrendering to Kim, even if he had crafted an identical agreement. Reason being, perception. He is seen as a liberal, so any peace gesture would've been seen as capitulating. But because Trump has a signature style of recklessness and brinkmanship, he was able to bring relations to an utmost level of hostility, which created leverage to bring it back to an enduring peace.

    Best thing of all, the US won't have to spend nil on this. East Asia is a rich place. China, Japan, S. Korea are among the richest economies on earth, they can easily lift North Korea up from its backwardness.

    This won't end up like the Iran deal either. Iran, unlike North Korea, is a regional power and has many rivalries across the board. It battles for influence against American allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia, which made a lasting peace tenuous because of the alliance situation we have in the region. North Korea is by far the weakest and poorest country in its region surrounded by a superpowers (China and Russia) and great powers (S. Korea and Japan) and an extension of the global superpower (The US). North Korea has nowhere to expand its influence, considering that, it is very contained. So as long as North Korea commits to a policy of peace and development, which, as long as the US guarantees peace, I don't see why there will be a need to destroy this peace deal.

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