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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhaoyun View Post
    North Korea wants to join the modern world. Kim Jong Un was educated in Switzerland, he knows what North Korea is missing out on. I think he spent enough years in isolation and built enough leverage with the nukes to secure a lasting peace.

    No other president except Trump could've accomplished this, by their own actions and by the perception of them by the public. If Obama tried something like this, he'd be seen as cowering and surrendering to Kim, even if he had crafted an identical agreement. Reason being, perception. He is seen as a liberal, so any peace gesture would've been seen as capitulating. But because Trump has a signature style of recklessness and brinkmanship, he was able to bring relations to an utmost level of hostility, which created leverage to bring it back to an enduring peace.

    Best thing of all, the US won't have to spend nil on this. East Asia is a rich place. China, Japan, S. Korea are among the richest economies on earth, they can easily lift North Korea up from its backwardness.

    This won't end up like the Iran deal either. Iran, unlike North Korea, is a regional power and has many rivalries across the board. It battles for influence against American allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia, which made a lasting peace tenuous because of the alliance situation we have in the region. North Korea is by far the weakest and poorest country in its region surrounded by a superpowers (China and Russia) and great powers (S. Korea and Japan) and an extension of the global superpower (The US). North Korea has nowhere to expand its influence, considering that, it is very contained. So as long as North Korea commits to a policy of peace and development, which, as long as the US guarantees peace, I don't see why there will be a need to destroy this peace deal.
    You're implying that North Korea's problems are not mostly self-inflicted by their economic and diplomatic policies (they very much are).

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    As a side note, if the US Is prepared to treat with North Korea - the world's most murderous tyranny - then it should certainly also lift its embargo against Cuba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    As a side note, if the US Is prepared to treat with North Korea - the world's most murderous tyranny - then it should certainly also lift its embargo against Cuba.
    No. Cuba does not have nukes. you don't understand negotiation. Cuba dictators and communist party gives up power, let political prisoners out of jail. Then we talk embargo. Why do you support evil Cuban dictators? Weird.

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    Dont believe North Korea or Cuba are evil or lunatics like certain media or radio shows make them to be. Their leaders are authoritarian and occasionally kill, but they havent bombed other nations with tons of bombs any time recently afaik. NK probably has some labor camps and people are poorer but is it gulag like? Dont know.

    Cuban people are nice and lots of Canadians travel there. Its likely the same with NK if you know them individually and over time they would relax.

    Essentially the improvement of relations and/or unification could hopefully be done, with all parties involved, not just US/NorthKorea but China/Russia/SK/etc.

    Trump has similar groups behind him as Reagan did (Heritage Foundation, Enterprise Institute, etc). Probably wants to push them away from communism and nukes to joining the globalist countries (thats almost every country). It could also be a trick, or bribe, but we shall see.

    These two websites give some stats and scenarios:

    https://www.globalfirepower.com/unif...y-strength.asp
    http://www.nkeconwatch.com/nk-upload..._188_final.pdf

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