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Thread: Y-DNA: Kipchak Håkan is a Dagestani-Chechen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    I belong to this subcluster of L1b-M317

    prediction for: https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y16366/



    Now I know why I always felt so attracted to Chechnya and Dagestan. Lol, my blood whispered to me
    Eh, one us! L1b white ravens I wonder if L1b is Anatolian or Levantine in origin..
    "Do not be angry with me if I tell you truth."

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    "Do not be angry with me if I tell you truth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
    L1b white ravens
    elaboration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
    I wonder if L1b is Anatolian or Levantine in origin..
    Any papers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    elaboration?


    Any papers?
    L1b is quite rare, rarer than other haplogroups.
    "Do not be angry with me if I tell you truth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
    L1b is quite rare, rarer than other haplogroups.
    L is the only haplogroup without meme trigger. Only L's themselves know who they really are, if they ever come to think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
    I wonder if L1b is Anatolian or Levantine in origin..
    Eastern Anatolia. I can feel/see it.

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    You are a Maykopean, which pretty much explains your edgy attempts to claim the Bronze Age steppe cultures for your people. You guys got rekt by Botaians.

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/1...ffer-zone.html
    Both archeological and ancient DNA data show that the North Caucasus was being colonized by groups from Transcaucasia during the Eneolithic. But apparently this wasn't an entirely smooth and safe process, because these southern settlers were forced to build elaborate fortifications to keep the natives at bay. Indeed, at the site of Meshoko, in the Northwest Caucasus, there is evidence of such a fort being overrun and its community replaced, probably by a nearby indigenous group.

    On the other hand, during the Bronze Age Maykop period, the relations between the settlers from the south and the steppe peoples were apparently much more peaceful. So much so, in fact, that Maykop settlements weren't fortified. However, this was also the period when the North Caucasus steppes were home to the Steppe Maykop people.

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...resses-in.html
    A multivariate method for assessing cultural changes at stratified sites is proposed. The variables are technological properties of ceramics, and occurrences of various categories of flint implements. The method is applied to stratigraphic sequences of Chalcolithic fortresses in the northwestern Caucasus dating to the late 5th–early 4th millennia BC: Meshoko and Yasenova Polyana. The properties of ceramics include hardness (assessed on the Mohs scale), wall thickness, and frequency of fragments tempered with calcium carbonate. For Meshoko, S.M. Ostashinsky’s data on the occurrence of implements made of high-quality colored flint, splintered pieces, and the total number of segments, points, inserts, scrapers, and perforators were used as well. Each parameter undergoes regular changes from the lower to the upper units of the sequence: ceramics progressively deteriorate, whereas flint industry becomes more and more sophisticated. These changes occur in parallel. Data were subjected to principal component analysis. The first principal component is regarded as a generalized measure of cultural change. The results support the view of the excavators: changes were caused by the interaction of two cultures differing in origin. The earlier culture, associated with the constructors of the Meshoko fortress, shows no local roots, and was evidently introduced from Transcaucasia. The one that replaced it was significantly more archaic (a few copper tools notwithstanding), and reveals local Neolithic roots. It alone can be termed the culture of ceramics with interiorpunched node decoration. The ceramics of Yasenova Polyana, too, indicate cultural heterogeneity and two occupation stages; but cultural changes are more complicated there, probably because the site existed longer, and more than two cultural components were involved.


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