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    Quote Originally Posted by CYKA View Post
    Several tgousand years and pp few haplotype mutatitobs? When you guys stop looking English and have a unique genetic signature call me. Till then you aint native here.
    I am native American. Your ancestors were nomadic knuckleheads. You had thousands of years to build civilizations, cities, infrastructure, real estate ownership database, etc. Instead you just waged war tribe vs that tribe vs that tribe. Hell you could have built ships and captured Europeans lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    I am native American. Your ancestors were nomadic knuckleheads. You had thousands of years to build civilizations, cities, infrastructure, real estate ownership database, etc. Instead you just waged war tribe vs that tribe vs that tribe. Hell you could have built ships and captured Europeans lol.
    You arent native american. Hes an adopted mexican. What are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin View Post
    The kids are partially native and direct decendant. Yes. But not someone who is not partially native and not direct decendant
    So not by conquest? Do you apply the same reasoning to every group/ethnicity of people in the world? Just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by dperucca View Post
    So not by conquest? Do you apply the same reasoning to every group/ethnicity of people in the world? Just curious
    I dont understand what you are trying to say or ask. May you reprase your question please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin View Post
    I dont understand what you are trying to say or ask. May you reprase your question please?
    If a person is born in Spain does that make them native Spanish in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dperucca View Post
    If a person is born in Spain does that make them native Spanish in your opinion?
    To me no. Just being born in spain no. Its not a new worlder country so no. Anyone can be american. But only native americans, are native americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin View Post
    To me no. Just being born in spain no. Its not a new worlder country so no. Anyone can be american. But only native americans, are native americans.
    True anyone can be American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYKA View Post
    Interestingly that no one accuses latinos of apropriating "Hispano" or blame nixon. Hispano was traditionally the name for the Ethnic Group of New Mexico. (long before Nixon) they Identify as Spanish but most of them are Mestizo like other Mexicans/Texicans/XIacanos etc. Much more Mestizo than say the Islenyos of LA. They eat Tex-Mex like food, Speak a Mexican like Spanish and yet Identify as Spanish/white.
    These called "white Hispanos" are descendants of Mexican mestizos from Sonora,Chihuahua and Zacatecas. They are genetically the same.They are 62% Euro-38% amerindian .

    Mexicans from California were called Californios,Mexicans from Nuevo MEXICO were called Hispanos and Mexicans from Texas were called Tejanos just as people From Jalisco are called Jaliscienses.ALL ARE GENETICALLY,CULTURALLY MEXICANS.

    Lmaoo people calling them "white Hispanics".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1R0N M4N XL View Post
    If the image of angry Spanish youth throwing the fascist salute worries you, you might want to pay close attention. Because while the photo above was taken in Madrid during an event in honor of Fransisco Franco, a homegrown brand of hispano white nationalism is taking shape right here in the state of New Mexico.

    The controversy surrounding Española’s celebration of Juan de Oñate recently boiled over when a coalition of community activists and Indigenous rights groups demanded that representations of Oñate be removed from the city’s annual parade. This demand prompted an outcry from a small, but vocal segment of New Mexico’s white hispano community, who saw it as an existential threat to their cherished fiestas.

    The thing is, very few people have a problem with commemorating the events that led to the establishment of communities in northern New Mexico. The history is well documented of how these communities were settled by a handful of Spaniards accompanied by a large number of Indios Mexicanos. It is the insistence that these fiestas serve as a platform for celebrating Juan de Oñate that people take issue with. Hell, the majority of people who live in Española don’t seem to have a problem with working out some sort of compromise.

    So…why would anyone be opposed to celebrating Juan de Oñate, you might ask?

    For starters, he was a career criminal who was tried and convicted of rape, murder, and theft – crimes for which he was exiled from the state of New Mexico for life. In fact, Oñate was such a shytty leader that 2/3 of the Spanish colonists he led to New Mexico deserted his settlement and fled. Perhaps most importantly, he is best known for having ordered the enslavement of Acoma women and children, and ordering that all Acoma men over the age of 25 have one of their feet chopped off.

    Seriously. This is the murderous clown that a small group of New Mexican hispanos is rushing to defend.

    The hispanos view their veneration of Juan de Oñate as a matter of European birthright, and perceive any criticism of Oñate and the parade held in his honor as an assault on their culture. And therein lies the problem: by framing Oñate as the embodiment of their culture, Oñate supporters have painted themselves into an ideological corner, creating an intractable situation in which even the slightest compromise would be seen as complete cultural surrender. In their minds, admitting that Oñate was a piece of shyt is tantamount to admitting that their culture is also shyt.

    This fear of somehow betraying their heritage prevents them from ever doing the right thing in this situation, which would be to commemorate history without glorifying a murdering rapist. But perhaps creating such an immovable position was the plan all along. After all, it is far easier to mobilize your base against an imagined threat to your culture and community than it is to do credible research and admit that celebrating Oñate is a pretty fukking horrible idea. Unfortunately, people tend to have a hard time admitting when they are wrong.

    Unsurprisingly, their position bears a striking resemblance to that of southerners who promote confederate imagery as “heritage” rather than symbols of white supremacy. If this seems like an unfair comparison, I joined the “Save the Española Fiestas” Facebook page to develop a more informed opinion of their views. Here is a response I received to one of my questions:



    Puke.

    Things recently came to a head at an Española City Council meeting, where supporters of the fiestas petitioned to have the sponsorship of the event transferred to a non-profit to avoid city oversight of the parade. Their arguments for honoring Oñate were…interesting to say the least.

    Many of the Oñate proponents in attendance made sure to reference the “common blood and culture” they share with New Mexico’s indigenous people, but this was little more than cover to excuse their abhorrent support of Oñate. After all, if they actually DID have any respect for this “common blood and culture,” they would take the concerns of Indigenous people into consideration. I mean, surely we can commemorate our shared history in a way that is dignified, inclusive, and respectful, right?



    Apparently not.

    The most telling moment of the evening came when a pro-Oñate historian (and I use the term “historian” loosely), argued that the Spanish colonization of New Mexico was inevitable, and that white hispanos should be seen as native to the area. Because, you know, all it takes to be native is to be born somewhere. This ahistorical argument is designed to gradually obfuscate who is and isn’t a “native” person, thus enabling white hispanos to lay some sort of ancestral claim to New Mexico. It is an intellectually dishonest tactic, demonstrating a clear disregard for New Mexico’s numerous indigenous communities.

    What this reveals about the Oñate supporters is that they really aren’t concerned with “preserving culture” at all. Rather, they have embraced a pointedly ethnocentric position that seeks to privilege the legacy of European conquest by any means necessary. Framing European colonization as an inevitable form of “manifest destiny” and declaring that their descendants are now “natives” is a hallmark of settler colonialism. Australian writer and historian Patrick Wolfe calls this strategy “destroy to replace.”

    Whatever settlers may say— and they generally have a lot to say—the primary motive for elimination is not race (or religion, ethnicity, grade of civilization, etc.) but access to territory. Territoriality is settler colonialism’s specific, irreducible element.
    – Patrick Wolfe


    The underlying intent of the pro-Oñate fiestas is not to preserve any sort of cultural traditions, but to distort New Mexico’s history to the point that its Indigenous people are merely footnotes in a pre-ordained historical legacy written by and for white people. Glorifying men like Juan de Oñate is a central part of this process.

    In a recent Facebook comment, an Oñate supporter asked “What do we call this group of awesome culture protectors now?” Whatever name they choose to go by, I think “hispano white nationalist” best describes their attitudes and objectives. In fact, this is the term I will be using from here on.

    Sound like hyperbole? Consider a few other comments made by members of their group:









    Just because the town is called Espanola it doesn't mean the population looks like Espanoles "Spaniards".

    They are descendants of Mexicans that were part of the founding of New Mexico and have been in New Mexico for 500 years and look Mexican and are culturally Mexican-American .





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    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    I am native American. Your ancestors were nomadic knuckleheads. You had thousands of years to build civilizations, cities, infrastructure, real estate ownership database, etc. Instead you just waged war tribe vs that tribe vs that tribe. Hell you could have built ships and captured Europeans lol.
    Well you’re native to the US, but not a “Native American” (you do not fit any official definitions for the label) if that makes you feel any better.

    PS: don’t play dumb. I know you’re well aware of the ancient Mesoamerican and Andean civilizations, both coming from Amerinds. Plus, they even possessed their own sail boats capable of seafaring.

    Quote Originally Posted by dperucca View Post
    Well, if one population displaces another by means of intermarriage/breeding or by conquest then makes babies then are those kids not native?
    I’m sure they eventually would as the case with plenty of global regions. In the case of non-Amerind New Worlders, they aren’t considered native I’m sure due to how Amerinds haven’t gone extinct yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by KMack View Post
    I am a Native American. My ancestors came from Germany and England. Native American "Indians" ancestors came from Asia. What is the difference LOL.
    If you’re gonna play the technicality game, then all of our ancestors came from Africa. The difference? Amerinds still exist and are only unique to the Americas where they existed for tens of thousands of years, unlike your people whose culture and genetics is identical to or at least highly derivative from Europe since a few centuries, paling in comparison to the Amerinds’ existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by OsricPearl View Post
    Yes. Natives change. The English are native to England despite the fact that their ancestors displaced the people who lived there before. They didn't build stonehedge. But it would be stupid not to call them natives because they've been there for thousands of years.

    They're natives.
    There are multiple contexts for natives and I have yet to encounter an official one requiring a certain human population to exist in a region for at least several centuries. To be fair, I haven’t encountered an official definition or non-conflicting definitions for determining whether or not a specific human populace is native to a region in certain contexts.

    If you’re referring to the modern English, they might not represent the ancientmost human populace there. Nevertheless they’re considered the natives today since the ancient populations preceding them no longer exist or do but only in the form of admixture. Had those ancient populations of England still exist with enough significance, then I’m sure the modern English w/o mixing with them wouldn’t be considered native.
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