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  • The Siculi, Sicanians, and Elymians were absorbed into the Greek and Punic populations, their DNA makes a significant portion of ours today.

    4 57.14%
  • The Siculi were likely pushed inland and marginalized, and contribute little to our DNA, but the other two populations were not.

    1 14.29%
  • All three populations were likely reduced in number by Greek and Punic colonists, and contribute little to our DNA today.

    2 28.57%
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Thread: Did the ancient Greeks genocide, or assimilate, the Siculi of Sicily?

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    Genocide is a big word. I don't think so. The Greeks who came to colonize the coasts of South Italy were poors fleeing from famine, poverty and some expelled from their country.

    "Ours"?

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    There were migrations to Italy they didn't go there en masse. Even under Ottoman occupation Greeks existed and large portions of mainland Greece was self ruled.
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    Unfortunately some stupid users preferred to call it "invasion".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thalassa Karadeni View Post
    Ancient greeks never did geonocides on local populations!!!

    Everywhere they went,they just assimilated the natives.

    From sicily,to asia minor and even with alexanders the great conquest in middle east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I definitely think there is some truth to the notion that the coasts of Sicily saw a reduction in the indigenous populations, and that to some degree they were in fact pushed inland. I do not think they were entirely genocided, but I would say their ancestry definitely does not contribute to the majority of ours today. Though the inland was subject to heavy waves of MENA migration later so it would have eroded the original populations, too.
    First how can we determine what the DNA of the Siculi was.

    Like which haplogroups.

    Since it seems to be studied based on Sicilians DNA which immagration movements from Greek Mainland,Greek Islands and Near East took place in Sicily it should
    be possible to determine then if some of Sicilians with Greek ancestry have also Siculi ancestry.
    If yes then it gives a hint at assimilation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    First how can we determine what the DNA of the Siculi was.

    Like which haplogroups.

    Since it seems to be studied based on Sicilians DNA which immagration movements from Greek Mainland,Greek Islands and Near East took place in Sicily it should
    be possible to determine then if some of Sicilians with Greek ancestry have also Siculi ancestry.
    If yes then it gives a hint at assimilation.
    Different parts of east Sicily plot with different parts of Greece.

    NE Sicily is genetically the same as Crete/Dodecanese while SE Sicily is intermediate to mainland Greece.

    Greeks had, whether in ancient times or Byzantine, a presence in all Sicily but western Sicily displays more recent MENA with in some cases possible West European input in minor amounts.

    I personally don't see Eastern Sicilians shifting toward central Italy but we don't know if Siculi were even comparable to today's central Italians.

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    The Greeks just did hellenization and assimilated others to their culture. The only exception would probably the Greek invasion of Persia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Different parts of east Sicily plot with different parts of Greece.

    NE Sicily is genetically the same as Crete/Dodecanese while SE Sicily is intermediate to mainland Greece.

    Greeks had, whether in ancient times or Byzantine, a presence in all Sicily but western Sicily displays more recent MENA with in some cases possible West European input in minor amounts.

    I personally don't see Eastern Sicilians shifting toward central Italy but we don't know if Siculi were even comparable to today's central Italians.
    If we don't have DNA samples from ancient Sicanians as we have from ancient Mycaneaens and Minoans how can we tell.

    Maybe they were West Med"Sardinian like"
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    Greeks colonized Sicily (when there was nobody there), as well as the rest of Italy (along with Anatolians).
    Why would Greece genocide their own people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Wtf? Why this 5,600 year old Neolithic Maltese woman? Sicanians had nothing to do with Malta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Wtf? Why this 5,600 year old Neolithic Maltese woman? Sicanians had nothing to do with Malta.
    This woman looks like Pontid with just brown skincolor
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    This woman looks like Pontid with just brown skincolor
    I don't find these reconstructions very reliable.

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