Did the ancient Greeks genocide, or assimilate, the Siculi of Sicily?

[Hylates]

First of all i don't buy that the Dorians were responsible for all bad things or did everything by force.
This is the superstitous singleminded blame it all on one strawman or black sheep mentality.



In Sicily the Dorian colonies flourished and also had alot of cultural contributions.

For example Archimidis was born in Syracuse which was Dorian.
Archytas was from Tarent which was a Spartan colony in Apulia.

Now tell me about any contributions to Math,Philosophy and Science in ancient Sicily coming from the parts that were Phoenician.

Actually concerning genocides and Greeks i agree with him


Whereas in general the Romans were much more imperialist than the Greeks and about them its known
that they genocided or almost genocided certain people.

Don't forget that Phoenicians weren't faint hearted or peaceful people neither just as they aren't today

The old Testament is filled with stories of wars,invasions,slaughters and tribal conflicts between Near Eastern
Groups

Lebanese gangs in Australia or known for violent thug behaviour and in the crime statistics far ahead of
Greek immigrants

Well yes , colonies there could have flourished , but that doesn't mean the Dorians did not force their way in at the beginning . The Dorians did Not annihilate civilization but they applied their one with their ways . Phoenicians were traders and their Colonies were made for trading . They were playing another type of a game . For them ..... Wealth = Power

[Tauromachos]

Well yes , colonies there could have flourished , but that doesn't mean the Dorians did not force their way in at the beginning . The Dorians did Not annihilate civilization but they applied their one with their ways . Phoenicians were traders and their Colonies were made for trading . They were playing another type of a game . For them ..... Wealth = Power

Well i don't believe there was something in particular about the Dorians that makes it more likely to believe that they genocided these people.

[Hylates]

Well i don't believe there was something in particular about the Dorians that makes it more likely to believe that they genocided these people.

I Don't think they committed any genocide _ but there is a high chance they enslaved the locals..Just like they did it to the remaining Achaeans in Peloponnese . The so called helots ...

[Tauromachos]

I Don't think they committed any genocide _ but there is a high chance they enslaved the locals..Just like they did it to the remaining Achaeans in Peloponnese . The so called helots ...

Maybe

But this was practised not only by the Dorians but a common practice by alot of Ancient people.

Also trade of Phoenicians involved Slave trade.

Maybe the Phoenicians bought some of these enslaved Sicanians and traded them out of Sicily

[Sikeliot]

Wtf? Why this 5,600 year old Neolithic Maltese woman? Sicanians had nothing to do with Malta.

The only people in Malta in that era were Sicanians from Sicily...

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The only people in Malta in that era were Sicanians from Sicily...

The only thing we know is that apparently in Malta there were settlers from Sicily.
The few and fragmented historical informations on the "Sicanians" come mainly from Greek historiographers (which obviously can not be accurate), and according to them they were people from Iberia.

[Tauromachos]

The only thing we know is that apparently in Malta there were settlers from Sicily.
The few and fragmented historical informations on the "Sicanians" come mainly from Greek historiographers (which obviously can not be accurate), and according to them they were people from Iberia.

Why can't they be accurate

Is it impossible that they came from Iberia.?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Why can't they be accurate? Is it impossible that they came from Iberia?

Because we know nothing about them and we have little information, there were different opinions about their origin, not just the Iberian one.

[Tauromachos]

Because we know nothing about them and we have little information, there were different opinions about their origin, not just the Iberian one.

Whats your thought about Sicanians being West Med"Sardinian like"?

In this case it might be hard to determine their contribution to the Sicilian genepole or if they mixed with Greek settlers or not though since West Med
was a significant part of Greeks ancestry as well.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Whats your thought about Sicanians being West Med"Sardinian like"?

In this case it might be hard to determine their contribution to the Sicilian genepole or if the mixed with Greek settlers or not since West Med
was a significant part of Greeks ancestry as well.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what the ancient peoples of Sicily were like. Without ancient DNA one can only make speculations.