Are Swiss Germans essentially Germanized Celts?

[Creoda]

I dont see much celtic among swiss, they look germanic.

And what's your physical point of reference for Celts?

[TheOldNorth]

I wonder about Swiss Germans. Do their origins lie in actually Germanic tribes or was the local pre-German population merely germanized? This seems to be the case to me. Same question could even be said about Austrians, I suppose.

yes, surely they have some germanic ancestry, but yes

[TheOldNorth]

Celtic was a Germanic derived culture tho

the fuck? more like the other way around, the word for fort or town itself came from celtic! and so to did their mail hauberks and the ancestors of their swords and helmets! I'd say their only ancient inventions were their axes and shields, and even so they were common designs invented separate times in separate places, although I'll give the longboat some credits do on their part

[TheOldNorth]

I dont see much celtic among swiss, they look germanic.

what do you call the alpine phenotype?

[Peterski]

They surely are very similar to Pre-Germanic population of Lechtal (Lech Valley) from 1815-1789 BC, but less than French people:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...es-on-GEDmatch



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By the way, anyone has seen DNA results of Swiss people with all known ancestry from Graubünden / Grisons Canton?

This area is where Romansh is spoken, and although German is more common today, it is likely due to language shift:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton...s#Demographics

At the beginning of the 19th century this canton was still majority Romansh:

Year / Population / Romansh (%) / German % / Italian %
1803 / 72,903 / 36,700 (ca. 50%) / ca. 36% / ca. 14%
1850 / 89,895 / 42,439 (47.2%) / 39.5% / 13.30%

[RandomGuy20]

I would assume the same also goes for west and south Germans.

I think to a lesser extent for west Germans - the Romans expelled the Celts west of the Rhine before the Alemanni settled there.

[TheForeigner]

They have to be a mix of Romanized Celts and Germanic peoples. How would they just adopt a language of a then barbarian people, without substantial admixture from Germans?

[Dick]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...truction/page2

[Samnium]

They are a bit more germanized than East French and Swiss French otherwise they are essentially the same people..

[Tenma de Pegasus]

And what's your physical point of reference for Celts?

To look like someone from Dublin.