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    Not impossible some surnames came from south slavic people who settled in Italy to flee Ottoman invasions (like the Arberesh on the Albanian side.)

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    Trieste and Gorizia areas are, most of NE Italy not.

    Going to Verona and Venice for the weekend, will let you know how it was

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Rolland View Post
    Not impossible some surnames came from south slavic people who settled in Italy to flee Ottoman invasions (like the Arberesh on the Albanian side.)
    Les Arberesch ne sont-ils pas situés dans le Sud de l'Italie ? Je pense plutôt à un apport d'Europe centrale pour le Nord Est de l'Italie mélangé à un apport autochtone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashball View Post
    Les Arberesch ne sont-ils pas situés dans le Sud de l'Italie ? Je pense plutôt à un apport d'Europe centrale pour le Nord Est de l'Italie mélangé à un apport autochtone
    Ouais c'est ça il s'agit pas d'Arbèreches dans le cas de la Vénétie. On parle plutôt d'agriculteurs voire artisans/aubergistes allemands au moyen âge + plusieurs vagues de migrants économiques/réfugiés slaves fuyant les Ottomans (parmi eux apparemment y avait aussi des albanais- membres du clergé pour la plupart..)

    Voici un extrait de l'article original en italien :

    L’articolo prende in considerazione la presenza di elementi allogeni nel Veneto nord orientale, al di là e a nord del fiume Piave, in un periodo compreso fra l’Alto Medioevo e il secolo XVI, quindi circa mille anni.
    Per primi arrivarono, in età tardo romana e nell’Alto Medioevo, i “barbari” per lo più di etnia germanica (Goti, Alamanni, Longobardi, Sarmati, Bavari), dei quali non esiste, a parte il caso degli Alamanni del 554, documentazione probante, se non toponomastica, con tutte le incertezze del caso. Si segnala tra l’altro l’esistenza di una decina di fare, ascrivibili alla prima conquista longobarda, segnale del rilievo strategico di questa zona.
    Nei paragrafi successivi si delinea la presenza di agricoltori tedeschi nelle Prealpi meridionali già nel Duecento, cui segue, a partire dal secolo successivo, l’insediamento di osti e artigiani nelle città principali, specie a Serravalle e Conegliano lungo la Via Regia e inoltre a Portogruaro e lungo la valle del Piave. Per finire si indicano le scarse tracce di agricoltori, forse sloveni, nell’area vicina al Friuli, e la successiva presenza di immigrati per motivi economici e poi di profughi schiavoni sparsi ovunque, ma localizzati in particolare tra Oderzo e Portogruaro. Per ultimo si citano i profughi albanesi in fuga davanti ai Turchi: si tratta per lo più di ecclesiastici, che in alcuni casi si radicarono.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Ouais c'est ça il s'agit pas d'Arbèreches dans le cas de la Vénétie. On parle plutôt d'agriculteurs voire artisans/aubergistes allemands au moyen âge + plusieurs vagues de migrants économiques/réfugiés slaves fuyant les Ottomans (parmi eux apparemment y avait aussi des albanais- membres du clergé pour la plupart..)

    Voici un extrait de l'article original en italien :
    Les études génétiques disent quoi sur l'apport d'europe centrale ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashball View Post
    Les études génétiques disent quoi sur l'apport d'europe centrale ?
    Une étude génétique sur la Vénétie orientale/FVG ? Ça relève du rêve..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Une étude génétique sur la Vénétie orientale/FVG ? Ça relève du rêve..
    Pourquoi ?

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