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MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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, nice one m8. the clades spread by Bell Beakers were different than that spread by Paleo-Balkan groups, Z2103 is completely different from the P312 clades spread by Bell Beakers. I don't think you know much about these things, Bell Beakers are completely different from the Shulaveri-Shomu, the Shulaveri-Shomu gave rise to cultures like the Kura-Araxes (Who had no R1b going by aDNA) and Trialeti culture both of which are unrelated to IE cultures like Bell Beakers as well as the fact that Shulaveri-Shomu is a Neolithic culture. Bell Beakers never reached Albania my guy, only material cultures similar to it have been found. The L23 clades in Armenia are unrelated to that found in the Balkans and the clade in the Balkans relates to the movement of Albanians so it more recent. Albanians are different from Armenians but oh well. The link you posted isn't from an actual peer-reviewed paper, it's made by some guy who is fixated with Shulaveri-Shomu and is the only guy that says that Bell Beaker comes from this culture
23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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Lmaoo, i didnt write this the quote i gave you is from a certified study Olalde et al. and Mathieson et al. (Nature 2018), and shows western yamnayas with ydnas including r1b-l23 z2103 imigrate into the east bell beaker group.
Also, what you say is incorect, R1B was found in Kura-Araxes culture, kura axes 635 (Armenia_EBA) is R1b1-M415(xM269).
And bell beakers were found in Albania, both in the The Races of Europe and more detailed in the Mountain of Giants Coon posts studies of the cranium found with many being of Bell beaker flat headed brachy type UNLIKE other illyrian samples from the more western part who were all or almost all long headed corded.
^proves what i have said, Glasinac is a mix of illyrians of hallstatt which are dominant elsewere except Albania and bell beakers from much earlier Bronze Age.This is the first occurrence of crania of this type in the Dinaric Alpine region in any considerable numbers. We have already seen, however, that this same type had entered these mountains by the beginning of the Bronze Age, in connection with the eastward movement of the Bell Beaker peoples. The round-heads at Glasinac and in Carniola may have been the descendants of these Bell Beaker refugees
As the Illyrians spread southwestward along the Dinaric Alps into Montenegro and Albania, they apparently blended with an indigenous brachycephalic mountain population which may have been more numerous than the invaders; for, with some additions and modifications, it persists as a predominant element today. In a small series of early Christian crania from a site near Split on the Dalmatian coast, 23 both Dinaric brachycephals and a few long-headed crania are represented. In Albania, a country which is almost completely unknown archaeologically, a single skull which belonged to a Romanized Illyrian group has been found in an Iron Age site in the tribe of Puka. 24 This skull is mesocephalic, and seems, insofar as we may judge, intermediate between the Illyrians of the old type and Dinarics.
Fortounately, the materials excavated at GIasinac, the type site of the Illyrian Hallstatt
culture, include skeletons as well as artifacts.
The date of this cemetery is between 1000
and 500 b.c The collection of 38 crania shows
clearly that the lllyrians were not a homo-
geneous people in the racial sense. The majority
of the skulls are long headed, and represent at
least 2 contemporary varieties of Nordic. This
is not surprising since most of the Iron Age peoples of Europe were Nordic. However, 13
crania, or one-third of the total series, were
brachycephalic These skulls have flat occi-
puts, straight sidewalls, broad foreheads, and
in the one example in which the nasal bones
have been preserved, a long and aquiline nose.
They are the skulls of Dinarics, and resemble
both the Bronze Age Dinaric skulls from
Cyprus, and the Bell Beaker Dinaric crania
from early Bronze Age sites in Germany.
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