Should people identify with their YDNA?

[Bosniensis]

What you claim and your source are incompatible.
You may as well have quoted a recipe for burek, it would have made the same amount of sense.

I don't claim anything.

I don't invent history, it happened by itself and I am telling you what others said:

This part is related to what I explained eariler:

"In an earlier age popes and emperors in western Europe were guilty of a calculated breach of etiquette when they addressed the Emperor in Constantinople as imperator Graecorum, Emperor of the Greeks instead of Emperor of the Romans. The Emperor Nikephoros Phokas in 968 made an angry complaint on this score to Bishop Liutprand of Cremona when Otto the Great of Germany tried to exalt his own dignity by belittling that of the one true Emperor. Nikephoros pointed out to Otto's ambassador that his master was a mere barbarian king who had no conceiv-able right to call himself either a Roman"

"The Emperor was the elect of God, crowned by God and guarded by God. His person was sacred and he ruled from the Sacred Palace inthe Queen of Cities as God's regent on earth: he was the terrestrialimage of the Logos of God reigning over the earthly reflexion of theKingdom of Heaven. The Byzantine Empire was not, like the king-doms or principalities of antiquity, a temporary phenomenon whichwould one day come to an end. It was «a realm foreseen in the planof the Creator, anchored in Christian eschatology, organically in-volved in the age-old history of mankind and destined to endure untilthe Second Coming."

Emperors regarded Popes/Patriarchs merely as public servents who can be appointed and removed anyday.

AVE CAESAR

Orthodox Religion is a Roman Religion
Modern Catholicism is a German Paganism .

They are both pagan from my standpoint but let's not go into it.

[Voskos]

Bear in mind that up to 11th century everyone was Catholic .. Catholic/Orthodox division started only later when Roman Emperor demanded Pope to kneel before him.

So if someone 900 years ago said he was a Catholic, that doesn't mean he isn't orthodox today.

my ydna is from latins that conquered my island. its the only way to explain why i match latins from 1500 years ago, and no greeks at all(only talking about ydna level).

[Bosniensis]

my ydna is from latins that conquered my island. its the only way to explain why i match latins from 1500 years ago, and no greeks at all(only talking about ydna level).

What Island is in question, and what invaders, tell me so I can check my library (brain)

[Ülev]

If you follow Rethel's logic, then YASSS!

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[rein]

Is the paternal line the only one that counts?

[Leto]

Bear in mind that up to 11th century everyone was Catholic .. Catholic/Orthodox division started only later when Roman Emperor demanded Pope to kneel before him.

So if someone 900 years ago said he was a Catholic, that doesn't mean he isn't orthodox today.

Everyone was Orthodox, not Catholic. Then the papacy brought heresy and division. Just sayin'.

[Leto]

No.

Because if Greek J2a goes to Mongolia and spend 10 generations there, he will be a Mongol with distant Greek ancestry.

So Autosomal is the most important.

Degradation goes very fast:

1. 100% Greek > 100% Mongol > 50% Greek/50% Mongol > 100% Mongol> 25% Greek/75% Mongol etc...

YDNA is very important for tracking migrations.

I fully agree with you on this. Although haplogroups are an interesting thing too and can be part of one's identity.

[Bosniensis]

Everyone was Orthodox, not Catholic. Then the papacy brought heresy and division. Just sayin'.

No.

Catholic Popes existed during Roman Empire (those Early Popes).

For Example: Catholic Pope Caius (Gaj) from Dalmatia was a Pope during the reign of Emperor Diocletian.
Emperor Diocletian was Roman Emperor who was Hellenic Pagan and who prosecuted Christians.

In early 3rd Century Constantine promoted Christianity i.e. he legalized Christianity but in the sense that Emperor become
the most important figure in Christianity. He appointed Popes/Patriarchs etc..

Orthodoxy is basically continuation of Roman Catholicism of post 3rd century, while Modern Catholicism is Frankish and Germanic papacy that
has nothing to do with Hellenic population of Italy or Greece. They just named it "Catholic" cause of first Catholics but those are not the same people.

[Thanas Django]

For Example: Catholic Pope Caius (Gaj) from Dalmatia was a Pope during the reign of Emperor Diocletian.
Emperor Diocletian was Roman Emperor who was Hellenic Pagan and who prosecuted Christians.

He wasn't a "catholic Pope", he was the Pope or bishop of the church of Rome. There were other churches such as the church of Antioch where Cyprus belonged to before we declared religious independence as the church of Cyprus.

The term "Roman catholic" was first used by the church of Rome to talk about their church after the schism.

Your wording implies that the head of the Christian church was in Rome when in fact, before the schism the head of all the churches (bar coptics and other oriental Christians as well as heretics) was the patriarch of Constantinople and "catholic" was one epithet out of many, just like "orthodox" to describe the Christian church as regulated by Constantinople with the consul of all other recognised churches such as Antioch, Rome e.t.c.

Catholic and Orthodox were more epithets of all the recognised churches rather than names of specific churches.

[Bosniensis]

He wasn't a "catholic Pope", he was the Pope or bishop of the church of Rome. There were other churches such as the church of Antioch where Cyprus belonged to before we declared religious independence as the church of Cyprus.

The term "Roman catholic" was first used by the church of Rome to talk about their church after the schism.

Your wording implies that the head of the Christian church was in Rome when in fact, before the schism the head of all the churches (bar coptics and other oriental Christians as well as heretics) was the patriarch of Constantinople and "catholic" was one epithet out of many, just like "orthodox" to describe the Christian church as regulated by Constantinople with the consul of all other recognised churches such as Antioch, Rome e.t.c.

Catholic and Orthodox were more epithets of all the recognised churches rather than names of specific churches.

Yes you are right a knew that but did not go that deep. I was just distinguishing that one in Rome and Constantinople.

Initially there were 5 during Nicene Creed am I right?

Alexandria, Antioch, Rome, Jerusalem and Constantinople

I was more interested in political aspect of Christianity I probably don’t understand that well organization of churches throughout history.

Islam practices similar religious authority to that of Imperial Administration and Divine Right of Emperors.


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