ATHEIST PROFESSOR IN HELL!

**Loki** · 06-26-2018, 06:43 PM

**~~Joso~~** · 06-26-2018, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

I believe in Christianism but seriously Loki, these testimonies about people visiting hell or heaven and caming back to life are clearly lies. Is ok to be religious but you seens a bit exagerated man, be careful...

**~~KMack~~** · 06-26-2018, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

That is Howard Storm. He lives a few miles from me.

**Loki** · 06-27-2018, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by KMack

That is Howard Storm. He lives a few miles from me.

Oh cool!

**Loki** · 06-27-2018, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Jolsonaro

I believe in Christianism but seriously Loki, these testimonies about people visiting hell or heaven and caming back to life are clearly lies. Is ok to be religious but you seens a bit exagerated man, be careful...

Nonsense. Who gives you the right to say they all lied? I think it is very unlikely... far more likely they are telling the truth.

And it is the truth. The Bible tells us about heaven and hell. Why do some people find this so hard to understand... or accept?

**Colonel Frank Grimes** · 06-27-2018, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Loki

Nonsense. Who gives you the right to say they all lied? I think it is very unlikely... far more likely they are telling the truth.

And it is the truth. The Bible tells us about heaven and hell. Why do some people find this so hard to understand... or accept?

Because as I pointed out the stories of people who supposedly go to heaven and/or hell don't match each other's experience except in the stereotypes of what we're suppose to expect that we've all heard in school or in Christian Sunday school (and even then they often contradict each other in that they don't match each other's specific details). The guy from the other video you posted I don't recall saying anything about physical pain (I may be wrong but I don't recall. He only spoke of darkness and fear).

There is not variations of hell stated in the Bible. It's very clear of what hell is like in the Bible. So this guy's story doesn't mesh even with the Bible when he goes on like it's some kind of Dante's Inferno.

They are either scamming people for money or attention or they really believe they had an experience but it's a product of the human mind.

The human mind is very powerful. I once completely forgot I had gotten gas and wondered how was it possible my gas tank was full. Then I remembered - after hours of being befuddled- of having my wallet on my thigh when I was getting gas and that if someone reached in to steal my wallet they might touch my crotch if they missed. From that point the memory of getting gas came back to me.

The mind is very bizarre and powerful.

**Colonel Frank Grimes** · 06-27-2018, 03:55 AM

Behold what the Bible states about so called 'near death experiences'! Behold and turn away from this false road!

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

**Defiance** · 06-27-2018, 07:17 AM

I suppose I'll keep this simple: Loki, why are you a Christian?

**Loki** · 06-27-2018, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Defiance

I suppose I'll keep this simple: Loki, why are you a Christian?

Because God is real, and Jesus is the only way to salvation and everlasting life in heaven. And he is very good to me... has never done me any wrong.

**Loki** · 06-27-2018, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

Because as I pointed out the stories of people who supposedly go to heaven and/or hell don't match each other's experience except in the stereotypes of what we're suppose to expect that we've all heard in school or in Christian Sunday school (and even then they often contradict each other in that they don't match each other's specific details). The guy from the other video you posted I don't recall saying anything about physical pain (I may be wrong but I don't recall. He only spoke of darkness and fear).

There is not variations of hell stated in the Bible. It's very clear of what hell is like in the Bible. So this guy's story doesn't mesh even with the Bible when he goes on like it's some kind of Dante's Inferno.

They are either scamming people for money or attention or they really believe they had an experience but it's a product of the human mind.

The human mind is very powerful. I once completely forgot I had gotten gas and wondered how was it possible my gas tank was full. Then I remembered - after hours of being befuddled- of having my wallet on my thigh when I was getting gas and that if someone reached in to steal my wallet they might touch my crotch if they missed. From that point the memory of getting gas came back to me.

The mind is very bizarre and powerful.

You can find all sorts of excuses and explanations, but at the end of the day, they don't wash. As an intelligent man I can tell you that I much rather believe this professor is telling the truth, as are plenty of other people (many of whom were skeptics before their experience...), than what you have just said here. And no, the "human mind" does not explain everything.

Fact of the matter is, God is real... and it is logical that he would allow such glimpses into the afterlife, especially for people like yourself who find it difficult to believe...

As for your quotation of Hebrews 9:27, it does not disagree with any of this. I agree with that verse, of course. Those people did not die... they almost died... were in the process of dying. How else would you describe modern methods of resuscitation? Some people are clinically dead for a short period, and are then again revived. Obviously the window of such an opportunity is narrow.

Some people have also seen visions of heaven and hell (from the Holy Spirit), whilst fully awake, which is another testimony to this. In fact I know people who have had such visions.

What exactly is it about these experiences that bother you the most? The possibility that heaven (and hell) might be real... very real?