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These are ancient genomes. If they were mixed with Iberians they would score much more WHG.Originally Posted by Lavrentis
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Guanche GEDmatch results (600-1150 AD)
Thanks, I asked because I thought that Guanches were much less European shifted. The first sample can be modeled as half Sardinian on Eurogenes K15 which is interesting
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A Sardinian/North African individual would still be genetically distant from these Guanches.
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing !
They look like the purest kind of Berbers you could find because of isolation. Funnily their results are not that different from mine and other NorthAfricans especially Moroccans... except they have actually more SSA than the average coastal North African and have very low EastMed %. Their Red Sea & Atlantic % are still in the spectrum of the diversity of North African genetics, not the exact average but still. WestMed is higher than average also, I've never seen one that high but it is not surprising.
Basically, in Maghreb, the more EastMed you find, the more you go to the east (Tunisia etc...), the more WestMed you find, the more you go to the west (Morocco)... Canary Islands being to the extreme west, it makes sense.
The most important difference for me is the EastMed component, definitely lower than average, otherwise, it seems they clearly were very similar to other modern NorthAfrican/Berber groups.
It is also CLEARLY showing that SSA in North Africa is ancient and not inherited from Arab slave trade, disproving totally the anthroforum-myth.
My results for comparaison in the SAME calculator :
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Med 24.66
2 East_Med 21.64
3 Atlantic 17.85
4 Red_Sea 14.9
5 Sub-Saharan 9.92
6 Northeast_African 8.44
7 North_Sea 1.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.5
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 6.97
2 Tunisian 8.72
3 Moroccan 9.71
4 Algerian 9.96
5 Algerian_Jewish 21.2
6 West_Sicilian 21.84
7 Italian_Jewish 23.11
8 Sephardic_Jewish 23.12
9 Tunisian_Jewish 23.66
10 East_Sicilian 23.69
11 Tuscan 23.77
12 Ashkenazi 24.33
13 Libyan_Jewish 24.45
14 South_Italian 24.66
15 Egyptian 25.19
16 Italian_Abruzzo 25.4
17 North_Italian 25.78
18 Central_Greek 25.9
19 Greek 26.52
20 Spanish_Extremadura 26.85
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.5% Mozabite_Berber + 13.5% French_Basque @ 3.84
2 84.3% Mozabite_Berber + 15.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.2
3 83% Mozabite_Berber + 17% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.36
4 84.1% Mozabite_Berber + 15.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.41
5 84% Mozabite_Berber + 16% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.41
6 85.6% Mozabite_Berber + 14.4% Southwest_French @ 4.54
7 85.3% Mozabite_Berber + 14.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.66
8 84.3% Mozabite_Berber + 15.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.77
9 84% Mozabite_Berber + 16% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.83
10 85.1% Mozabite_Berber + 14.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.94
11 86% Mozabite_Berber + 14% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.99
12 84.3% Mozabite_Berber + 15.7% North_Italian @ 5.16
13 85.4% Mozabite_Berber + 14.6% Portuguese @ 5.18
14 86.3% Mozabite_Berber + 13.7% Sardinian @ 5.27
15 84.3% Tunisian + 15.7% French_Basque @ 5.35
16 86.4% Mozabite_Berber + 13.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.39
17 84.3% Mozabite_Berber + 15.7% Tuscan @ 5.49
18 89.8% Mozabite_Berber + 10.2% French @ 5.73
19 84.4% Mozabite_Berber + 15.6% West_Sicilian @ 5.78
20 91.4% Mozabite_Berber + 8.6% South_Dutch @ 5.93
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No he’s not. And his first name is a Guanche first name.
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up!
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It sounds like they have similarities with indigenous Europeans such as Basques as well.
What's very interesting to notice with those mummies kits is to compare with modern Canarian people what differences and similarities they are sharing now.
Thanks a lot for sharing these results from mummies guys! It helps me to compare with the kit of a Canarian friend of mine.
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This is from the study.
"However, outgroup f3 statistics [19] suggest that the Guanches share more genetic drift with non-African test populations than with African test populations, including Northwest African populations of Berber origin (Data S1, sheet 2). This observation is inconsistent with the PCA and the uniparental genetic marker data, indicating that the outgroup f3 statistic may be misleading, possibly due to the complex history of recent sub-Saharan admixture events in North African populations [12, 21]"
Guanches case is similar to Natufians.
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Interesting.
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Tell me do you agree with this or not...I was looking over the gedmatch runs and PCA for Guanches and thought about something. If they were more European shifted, let’s say an average of 25% such as several calculators give a 75% mozabite/Moroccan and 25% Iberian/French Basque/Sardinian score (some give more like 30% or more) To figure out the true Guanche percentage for a modern Canarian gedmatch oracle, one should add about 25% more to the Moroccan percentage in the oracle. So 10%-13% Moroccan would be 12%-16% Guanche. Do you agree? What do you think?
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