I m for the first time deluded or aware of my delusion towards the EU

[Mary]

What they are doing right now at Italy is to disrupt our country..
Expecially France

Your country has been dysfunctional since 1945. Don't you change government on average every year? You would be just as disrupted (if not more) without the EU.

[lleon]

1) Because national politicians are idiots.

2) The EU provides checks on their idiocy. You can take your government to court. The EU can take your government to court.

3) The EU makes sure that you have the same rights as people in other European countries. So that your government can't fuck you over. At least not as much as before the EU.

The EU's politicians are idiots too, unless you want to be ruled by people like Merkel and the like. The EU is biased and it fucks you over harder than your government.

[GiCa]

Your country has been dysfunctional since 1945. Don't you change government on average every year? You would be just as disrupted (if not more) without the EU.

We were better before the eu.. More over in matter of power of buying things. People could afford to buy more things with the Lira, now instead we are poorer and we spend less.

And the worst thing of today is France offences and all the EU representants who insult us on refugee boats matters

No one of them is supportive of us and they attack us and insult us

[GiCa]

Junker on Us! Very bad insult
https://www.google.it/amp/s/amp.theg...e-may-soon-end

[GiCa]

You have no idea of how angry are the Italians right now


https://www.google.it/amp/s/www.expr...ion-latest/amp

https://www.google.it/amp/s/mobile.r.../idUSKBN1JH1NM

https://www.google.it/amp/s/www.expr...ion-crisis/amp

[Mary]

So those things didn't exist before the EU? We all know that's not true and also i support home grown food, which helps the local economy and farmers and is healthier. The EU is a big scam that makes people like you think it's good while enslaving them.

1) Ask people from, for example, Latin America what they need to go through if they want to go to Europe or order a product from a Euro country.

a) They have to apply for a visa. They need work permits to work (which can easily be denied). They might have to pay import duties if they want a German car for example.

2) The local farmer will also be more expensive than importing food from a country that produces food more efficiently.

3) It's the other way around. Before the EU, your government could do whatever it wanted and you had (more or less) no recourse.

[Mary]

The EU's politicians are idiots too, unless you want to be ruled by people like Merkel and the like. The EU is biased and it fucks you over harder than your government.

1) But their job is to protect the Single Market and the Four Freedoms.

2) Merkel doesn't run the EU.

3) Donald Tusk runs the EU. He and Merkel are on opposing sides. For instance if Merkel tries to bully your country, you can complain to Donald Tusk and he might decide to take action against Germany on your behalf. You couldn't do that before the EU.

4) What exactly has the EU done to you? Except given you the freedom to travel and work in richer countries, the same basic social security benefits, protected you against corporate monopolies, protected your Internet privacy, poured money into infrastructure to develop your country, and given you the opportunity to study abroad.

[Mary]

We were better before the eu.. More over in matter of power of buying things. People could afford to buy more things with the Lira, now instead we are poorer and we spend less.

And the worst thing of today is France offences and all the EU representants who insult us on refugee boats matters

No one of them is supportive of us and they attack us and insult us

1) Really? You think so? Stupid you are, vote you should not.

2) Italy had massive inflation before the Euro/EMS. That means Italians couldn't afford imported products, and not a lot of domestic products either.

3) Without the EU, Italy would be like Morocco. And I'm not just saying that.

4) Who cares what the frogs say? Italy is a sovereign country and they can stop refugees all they want. There's nothing anyone can do about it.

[Ülev]

whatever

[Mary]

You have no idea of how angry are the Italians right now


https://www.google.it/amp/s/www.expr...ion-latest/amp

https://www.google.it/amp/s/mobile.r.../idUSKBN1JH1NM

https://www.google.it/amp/s/www.expr...ion-crisis/amp

1) When will Italians get angry about their government debt?

2) Or about the lack of jobs, especially for young people?

3) When will they get angry about the dysfunctional education system?

There are a lot of other things that they should be angry about.