Why Muslim countries are so weak and backward compared to some non-Muslim countries?

[Böri]

There are 1,5 billion Muslims around the world in circa 50 countries which are Muslim majority in population. Circa 20% of world population.
How come the total GDP of those Muslim nations can't reach that of Germany or also that of Japan?
How come there is not a single Muslim country as a world power?
How come there is not a single Muslim country among the permanent members of the UN?
How come there is not a single Muslim country which can produce a world-known brand of a certain tech product (like a car, plane etc)?
How come the 5 million Israel is a more stable state than the Arab countries all around which are in 200 millions?

Discuss.

[Gründig]

To me, it says something about the followers of that filth religion.

[Bosniensis]

In 1920 Ottoman Empire was the ruling force behind Islam, Arabs said NO, we hate Ottomans, Aligned themselves with English and murdered many Ottoman Soldiers.
Ottomans said: I hope you all die, and stupid beduins became slave of Anglo-Americans leading the whole Islamic World into DOOM.

Up to 1850 Islam was strong, very strong and united.

[Böri]

To me, it says something about the followers of that filth religion.

Is the problem with the faith itself or the quality of the bulk of Muslims?
Let's say if Islam had followers from more northernly peoples like Germanics or north Mongoloids (Japan, Korea etc) would it be a stronger religion today?

In 1920 Ottoman Empire was the ruling force behind Islam, Arabs said NO, we hate Ottomans, Aligned themselves with English and murdered many Ottoman Soldiers.
Ottomans said: I hope you all die, and stupid beduins became slave of Anglo-Americans leading the whole Islamic World into DOOM.

Up to 1850 Islam was strong, very strong and united.

The Ottoman empire didn't have a single factory left to the republic of Turkey in 1922. Purely backward agricultural society with a 89% illiterate population.
Ottomans being gone doesn't explain it. It was gone as a world power after Karlowitz Treaty in 1699. It was when they entered from stagnation to dissolving era.

[rein]

Civilisations rise and fall.

[Bosniensis]

Is the problem with the faith itself or the quality of the bulk of Muslims?
Let's say if Islam had followers from more northernly peoples like Germanics or north Mongoloids (Japan, Korea etc) would it be a stronger religion today?



The Ottoman empire didn't have a single factory left to the republic of Turkey in 1922. Purely backward agricultural society with a 89% illiterate population.
Ottomans being gone doesn't explain it. It was gone as a world power after Karlowitz Treaty in 1699. It was when they entered from stagnation to dissolving era.

LOL same with all other European Countries.

Industrialisation started 1900's man..

[renaissance12]

There are 1,5 billion Muslims around the world in circa 50 countries which are Muslim majority in population. Circa 20% of world population.
How come the total GDP of those Muslim nations can't reach that of Germany or also that of Japan?
How come there is not a single Muslim country as a world power?
How come there is not a single Muslim country among the permanent members of the UN?
How come there is not a single Muslim country which can produce a world-known brand of a certain tech product (like a car, plane etc)?
How come the 5 million Israel is a more stable state than the Arab countries all around which are in 200 millions?

Discuss.

Explanation: Islam...

Venetians were strong enough to challenge Ottoman Empire... One medium size town vs an Empire... Christians vs Muslim..

[Böri]

LOL same with all other European Countries.

Industrialisation started 1900's man..

In b4
Why Muslims couldn't colonize Americas, Australias? Why Muslim sailors couldn't discover new travel routes?
Why Muslims can't build stable instutions and states? Why Muslims were zero in Research and Development all over those centuries?

I said it to Turks in the Turkish section.
People compare Turks to Spanish on TA, TAers say Spain better.
But Spain in fact isn't better than Turkey, Turks would be stronger.

The problem is this: Turks have 'brothers in religion' people like Arabs, Iranians, Kurds, Bosniak etc...
Whereas Spaniards have 'brothers in relgion' people like Irish, German, Swiss etc
That is what makes difference.

[Böri]

Explanation: Islam...

Venetians were strong enough to challenge Ottoman Empire... One medium size town vs an Empire... Christians vs Muslim..

Yes the city of Venice controlling only 5% of total Mediterranean shores defeated and controlled seas against the Ottomans who controlled around 65% of Mediterranean Sea's shores.
Venetians did it by being able to develop better ships.
They had R&D while Ottomans obviously lacked.

[Bosniensis]

In b4
Why Muslims couldn't colonize Americas, Australias? Why Muslim sailors couldn't discover new travel routes?
Why Muslims can't build stable instutions and states? Why Muslims were zero in Research and Development all over those centuries?

I said it to Turks in the Turkish section.
People compare Turks to Spanish on TA, TAers say Spain better.
But Spain in fact isn't better than Turkey, Turks would be stronger.

The problem is this: Turks have 'brothers in religion' people like Arabs, Iranians, Kurds, Bosniak etc...
Whereas Spaniards have 'brothers in relgion' people like Irish, German, Swiss etc
That is what makes difference.

Iranians themselves have 1500x more success in everything than entire modern western world

If Iran ceased to exist today modern west would have to exist another 2000 years so it can compare with Iran


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