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    Because they don't want to change and modernize and their backward culture and sexism.

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    The biggest mistake of the Turks?
    In 1460 the pope proposed Mehmed the Conquerer to convert to catholicism:
    "Soon after the terrible news from the Levant, Pope Pius II conceived the strange idea of trying to convert the sultan. How this notion matured in his brain we can only guess...

    In this letter Pius II assured the sultan that he did not hate him, since his Lord bade him love his enemies and pray for his persecutors. He went on to point out that it was a delusion to suppose that the sword of Islam could conquer the Latin world as easily as it had the Asiatics, Greeks, Serbs, and Wallachians - all infidels and heretics. But if Mehmed did wish to extend his rule among Christians and cover his name with glory, he needed no money, no weapons, no armies, no navies.


    An insignificant trifle can make you the greatest, the most powerful, the most famous of living mortals. You ask what it is? It is not hard to find; there is no need to go far in search of it. It can be found everywhere: a little water with which to be baptized, to be converted to Christianity, and to accept the faith of the Gospel.

    Once you have done this there will be no prince on the whole earth to outdo you in fame or equal you in power. We shall appoint you the emperor of the Greeks and the Orient... All Christians will honor you and make you the arbiter of their quarrels... Many will submit to you voluntarily, appear before your judgement seat, and pay taxes to you. It will be given to you to quell tyrants, to support the good and combat the wicked. And the Roman Church will not oppose you... The first spiritual chair [the Pope] will embrace you in the same love as other kings, and all the more so accordingly as your position is higher. Under these conditions you can easily, without war or bloodshed, acquire many kingdoms...

    We [the Papacy] shall never lend aid to your enemies, but on the contrary call on your arm against those who sometimes usurp the rights of the Roman Church and raise their horns against their own mother.

    Had they accepted the offer, today Turkey would have been as better off as Spain at least.

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    Ottoman Empire was the world greatest cultural, military superpower from 15-18th century nobody could come even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioan assen View Post
    The biggest mistake of the Turks?
    In 1460 the pope proposed Mehmed the Conquerer to convert to catholicism:
    "Soon after the terrible news from the Levant, Pope Pius II conceived the strange idea of trying to convert the sultan. How this notion matured in his brain we can only guess...

    In this letter Pius II assured the sultan that he did not hate him, since his Lord bade him love his enemies and pray for his persecutors. He went on to point out that it was a delusion to suppose that the sword of Islam could conquer the Latin world as easily as it had the Asiatics, Greeks, Serbs, and Wallachians - all infidels and heretics. But if Mehmed did wish to extend his rule among Christians and cover his name with glory, he needed no money, no weapons, no armies, no navies.


    An insignificant trifle can make you the greatest, the most powerful, the most famous of living mortals. You ask what it is? It is not hard to find; there is no need to go far in search of it. It can be found everywhere: a little water with which to be baptized, to be converted to Christianity, and to accept the faith of the Gospel.

    Once you have done this there will be no prince on the whole earth to outdo you in fame or equal you in power. We shall appoint you the emperor of the Greeks and the Orient... All Christians will honor you and make you the arbiter of their quarrels... Many will submit to you voluntarily, appear before your judgement seat, and pay taxes to you. It will be given to you to quell tyrants, to support the good and combat the wicked. And the Roman Church will not oppose you... The first spiritual chair [the Pope] will embrace you in the same love as other kings, and all the more so accordingly as your position is higher. Under these conditions you can easily, without war or bloodshed, acquire many kingdoms...

    We [the Papacy] shall never lend aid to your enemies, but on the contrary call on your arm against those who sometimes usurp the rights of the Roman Church and raise their horns against their own mother.

    Had they accepted the offer, today Turkey would have been as better off as Spain at least.
    But you are an Orthodox, it would not matter for your ancestors. A Catholic Turkey would even attempt to abolish Orthodoxy and forcefully convert Orthodoxes to Catholicism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Dark skin is sign of evilness, every dark skinned country is agressive, full with criminality, violented peoples, most crimes were committed by dark skinned peoples. Many of them are follower of Islam (death cult) to spread the voice of Satan who tainted them that's why their skin is dark as their souls. We whites are descedants of angels (thats why our skin is light), we created the human rights, we ended slavery, we created the modern medical science to save lifes etc etc. Thats why the dark skinned peoples are so jealous for us and they want to destroy everything what the angles created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioan assen View Post
    The biggest mistake of the Turks?
    In 1460 the pope proposed Mehmed the Conquerer to convert to catholicism:
    "Soon after the terrible news from the Levant, Pope Pius II conceived the strange idea of trying to convert the sultan. How this notion matured in his brain we can only guess...

    In this letter Pius II assured the sultan that he did not hate him, since his Lord bade him love his enemies and pray for his persecutors. He went on to point out that it was a delusion to suppose that the sword of Islam could conquer the Latin world as easily as it had the Asiatics, Greeks, Serbs, and Wallachians - all infidels and heretics. But if Mehmed did wish to extend his rule among Christians and cover his name with glory, he needed no money, no weapons, no armies, no navies.


    An insignificant trifle can make you the greatest, the most powerful, the most famous of living mortals. You ask what it is? It is not hard to find; there is no need to go far in search of it. It can be found everywhere: a little water with which to be baptized, to be converted to Christianity, and to accept the faith of the Gospel.

    Once you have done this there will be no prince on the whole earth to outdo you in fame or equal you in power. We shall appoint you the emperor of the Greeks and the Orient... All Christians will honor you and make you the arbiter of their quarrels... Many will submit to you voluntarily, appear before your judgement seat, and pay taxes to you. It will be given to you to quell tyrants, to support the good and combat the wicked. And the Roman Church will not oppose you... The first spiritual chair [the Pope] will embrace you in the same love as other kings, and all the more so accordingly as your position is higher. Under these conditions you can easily, without war or bloodshed, acquire many kingdoms...

    We [the Papacy] shall never lend aid to your enemies, but on the contrary call on your arm against those who sometimes usurp the rights of the Roman Church and raise their horns against their own mother.

    Had they accepted the offer, today Turkey would have been as better off as Spain at least.
    But you are an Orthodox, it would not matter for your ancestors. A Catholic Turkey would even attempt to abolish Orthodoxy and forcefully convert Orthodoxes to Catholicism.

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    All religions are a scourge. Generalizing, the more religious a country is, the more backward it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artabro View Post
    All religions are a scourge. Generalizing, the more religious a country is, the more backward it is.
    it's the lack of secularism that brings troubles
    religion can't be mixed with policy it's even mentionned in koran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Iran has so much success, that it's time for them to fail.

    Whole world is Shit in comparison with Iran history.

    And by the way, IRAN is their Ancient name not "Persia" as many imagine.

    Iran is Iranshahr the state who had more Emperors than Roman Empire and any other Empire.

    Who had more gold and power than any other nation in the world

    Who had more technology than any other nation in the world.

    You name it... IRAN invented it and had it.

    Even today they are building nuclear reactors and what not.
    Iran had more gold than any other nation ?

    Ever heard of India and China ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    I think converting to Islam was a reasonable thing to do.

    There were 2 major civilizations bordering Turks, Muslim and Chinese, so converting to İslam or Buddhism to have access to these civilizations was a smart idea.

    Real problem is what we're facing now.
    What if Turks chose Buddhism over Islam during those times ?

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    Their religion does not favour any progress beyond their medieval achievement.
    Many ethnic Muslims are heavily inbred too which aggravates the problem.

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