Why Muslim countries are so weak and backward compared to some non-Muslim countries?

[Böri]

Iranians themselves have 1500x more success in everything than entire modern western world

If Iran ceased to exist today modern west would have to exist another 2000 years so it can compare with Iran

It’s just we have a minor setback but you have already surrendered ... cuck... like those migrants Keep whining


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You will reach Mars and meet aliens while producing honey with your bees my friend.
Just follow your Wahhabist local friends in your village.

I sometimes discuss with those Wahhabis. They tell that the Muslim world needs Turkey because Turkey is the strongest of all Muslim countries...
Right...
But modern Turkey, like said above, inherited NOTHING from the Ottomans except 90% illiterate population and purely agriculturalist backward society.
So Atatürk and his reforms made Turkey what it is now.
And Atatürk succeeded by staying away from MENA people and culture.

So, those Wahabbis who would insult Atatürk try to get what Atatürk has built (thanks to staying away from them), without a shame!

[Autrigón]

In b4
Why Muslims couldn't colonize Americas, Australias? Why Muslim sailors couldn't discover new travel routes?
Why Muslims can't build stable instutions and states? Why Muslims were zero in Research and Development all over those centuries?

I said it to Turks in the Turkish section.
People compare Turks to Spanish on TA, TAers say Spain better.
But Spain in fact isn't better than Turkey, Turks would be stronger.

The problem is this: Turks have 'brothers in religion' people like Arabs, Iranians, Kurds, Bosniak etc...
Whereas Spaniards have 'brothers in relgion' people like Irish, German, Swiss etc
That is what makes difference.

Why do you compare Spain with Turkey? I can't find any similarities, Spain had a population about 5 millions in the XVI century when they conquered America, the Ottoman empire had a population about 40 millions.

At the present Spain has a population of 46 millions and Turkey has 80 millions.

Our brothers in religion means nothing, Europeans historically have been fighting between themselves until "yesterday".

[Böri]

Iran is a backward country by the way. They live off oil and gas in Communist social construct. They don't produce anything by working. Pretty much like those Gulf Arabs who live off gas and oil too w/o producing anything.
Turkey is more developed than Iran.

All these MENAs say to Turks that Atatürk legacy must be destroyed and Turkey must return to MENA with its strength and resource.
But wait a second...
Turkey got what he has thanks to Atatürk de-Arabizing Turkey...
If Atatürk followed the principles of the MENAs, today Turkey would be like Algeria at most.

So, where is the logics?

[Böri]

Why do you compare Spain with Turkey? I can't find any similarities, Spain had a population about 5 millions in the XVI century when they conquered America, the Ottoman empire had a population about 40 millions.

At the present Spain has a population of 46 millions and Turkey has 80 millions.

Our brothers in religion means nothing, Europeans historically have been fighting between themselves until "yesterday".

Your 'brothers in religion' sustain and support you.
You have backup from them.
Otherwise, I sincerely believe Turks could do a lot better than Spain.

But Turks have no support from their 'brothers in religion, pretty much contrary, they try to drag Turks where they are which is position even weaker than where Turkey is now.

[Bosniensis]

Iran is a backward country by the way. They live off oil and gas in Communist social construct. They don't produce anything by working. Pretty much like those Gulf Arabs who live off gas and oil too w/o producing anything.
Turkey is more developed than Iran.

All these MENAs say to Turks that Atatürk legacy must be destroyed and Turkey must return to MENA with its strength and resource.
But wait a second...
Turkey got what he has thanks to Atatürk de-Arabizing Turkey...
If Atatürk followed the principles of the MENAs, today Turkey would be like Algeria at most.

So, where is the logics?

Iran has so much success, that it's time for them to fail.

Whole world is Shit in comparison with Iran history.

And by the way, IRAN is their Ancient name not "Persia" as many imagine.

Iran is Iranshahr the state who had more Emperors than Roman Empire and any other Empire.

Who had more gold and power than any other nation in the world

Who had more technology than any other nation in the world.

You name it... IRAN invented it and had it.

Even today they are building nuclear reactors and what not.

[Böri]

Iran has so much success, that it's time for them to fail.

Whole world is Shit in comparison with Iran history.

And by the way, IRAN is their Ancient name not "Persia" as many imagine.

Iran is Iranshahr the state who had more Emperors than Roman Empire and any other Empire.

Who had more gold and power than any other nation in the world

Who had more technology than any other nation in the world.

You name it... IRAN invented it and had it.

Even today they are building nuclear reactors and what not.

That's from Sassanian era. After Arabs took Iran it became backward too.
Iranians supported Islam and contributed a lot to early Muslim civilization which was the most advanced around 9th century.

But ultimately that failed.

I strongly believe there are strong backward Arabian traditional elements in the Islam, in her phylosphy, those can't be purged from Islam and that makes Islam less popular faith than Xtianity and more of an Arab religion.

Just look at the Ottomans, they were bright until... taking the Middle East.
After Ottomans met the MENA in 16th century, the downfall started.

[Kivan]

Your 'brothers in religion' sustain and support you.
You have backup from them.
Otherwise, I sincerely believe Turks could do a lot better than Spain.

But Turks have no support from their 'brothers in religion, pretty much contrary, they try to drag Turks where they are which is position even weaker than where Turkey is now.

True. And then people criticize me when I say that the country should be aligned/associated with the west. Turkey needs more Arabo-Iranian influence and ""support"" in the same way a healthy body needs cancer.

[Marmara]

Because Muslims are retarded shit people. I believe it's not entirely related to religion but culture and interpretation of the religion.

[Dandelion]

Turks need to become more secular again and digest/civilise the backward villager boom it had underwent.

[Böri]

True. And then people criticize me when I say that the country should be aligned/associated with the west. Turkey needs more Arabo-Iranian influence and ""support"" in the same way a healthy body needs cancer.

The Arab-supremacist MENA logic is crazy is shameless in this regard.
It's like a lazy man who hates working because of his personal phylosophy... He sees his friend working... Then this friend produces, say, an apple...
The lazy tells the producer 'yeah you have an apple now, let us share it. But then you will become like me again'