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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Yes, but the Safavids were a distraction and they never allowed the Ottomans to advance. Iraq became a battle ground for 150 years for example. Not to mention the carnage they created in Iran, thus their own people. Let alone what happened to Iraq from massacres, raped, looting, destruction of hospitals.
    No. Ottomans defeated the Safavids because they firstly (before Arabization) had sophisticated, European style weaponry which Safavids lacked.
    Safavids were decisively defeated and pushed to Iran.
    Later, during the 16th century, when Arabian ulema was declared superior, those people left Ottomans backward.
    They were even interfering with their fatwas in Ottomans' international relations with Habsburgs etc.

    As Ottomans started to be alien and opposed to adaptation and progress with that desert spirit, they started to lose everywhere.
    Caliphate and Arabian ideological influx are main responsible for Ottoman failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Kurds became a problem for us because they are Muslims and every time serious steps will be taken, a Muzzie religious leader comes and stops Turks.

    That's because of religion if we succeeded in defeating non-Muslim Greek insurgencies but couldn't do same with Muslim Kurds' insurgencies. Religion is a negative aspect here.

    What Arabian culture? There is no Arab culture. It was Berbers in the west, Persians in the east.
    No Moorish Spain was created by Ummyad Arabs , Levantines, some Arabians and the rest being Berbers. Persians had only strong role in giving culture to your ancestors and not ours. We adopted some elements from Persian culture, but we were never Persiantes, not even the Abbassids were.

    Many Kurds are part Turk and many Turk are part Kurd, where do you even begin lol.
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    Islam is the reason why Kurdish insurgencies aren't defeated yet while Greek insurgencies could be defeated in the past. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
    The religious similarity makes Turks weaker in taking radical steps against Kurds.
    That is how it was in the past and how it is now.

    It's well known that in Turkey, Kurdish PKK terrorists hire some bearded Muslim scholars looking people for their propaganda.
    Through Islamic propaganda means, they try to weaken Turks psychologically to bring to their terms. You just don't know Turkey.

    Just question: How Turks can rid of Greek terrorism back in time but can't do same with Kurdish terrorism?
    The answer is religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Islam is the reason why Kurdish insurgencies aren't defeated yet while Greek insurgencies could be defeated in the past. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
    The religious similarity makes Turks weaker in taking radical steps against Kurds.
    That is how it was in the past and how it is now.

    It's well known that in Turkey, Kurdish PKK terrorists hire some bearded Muslim scholars looking people for their propaganda.
    You just don't know Turkey.

    Just question: How Turks can rid of Greek terrorism back in time but can't do same with Kurdish terrorism?
    The answer is religion.
    You aren't very smart yourself. You shouldn't bash Arabs.

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    The Persian influence in the early Caliphates is often understimated, but the more important factor were the Nestorian Christians/Church of the East followers, many ofc being Assyrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Islam is the reason why Kurdish insurgencies aren't defeated yet while Greek insurgencies could be defeated. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
    The religious similarity makes Turks weaker in taking radical steps against Kurds.
    That is how it was in the past and how it is now.
    That's true, and also it's why Turks and Kurds can intermarry with each other, which is not really uncommon unlike with the majority Greeks for example. Thus there is also some blood connection and some families are united in that regard.

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    It's well known that in Turkey, Kurdish PKK terrorists hire some bearded Muslim scholars looking people for their propaganda.
    You just don't know Turkey.
    The PKK are scum no doubt. I am not really fan of Kurdish ambitions in Northern Iraq or Syria either. As long they stay away from my land I have no issue with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    You aren't very smart yourself. You shouldn't bash Arabs.
    If you are so intelligent, you are welcome to explain the reason why Turks could free themselves from Orthodox Greeks and Apostolic Armenians in the past but couldn't do same with Muslim Kurds.
    Religion stops and blocks. That puts limits. That's simply the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Islam is the reason why Kurdish insurgencies aren't defeated yet while Greek insurgencies could be defeated in the past. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
    The religious similarity makes Turks weaker in taking radical steps against Kurds.
    That is how it was in the past and how it is now.

    It's well known that in Turkey, Kurdish PKK terrorists hire some bearded Muslim scholars looking people for their propaganda.
    Through Islamic propaganda means, they try to weaken Turks psychologically to bring to their terms. You just don't know Turkey.

    Just question: How Turks can rid of Greek terrorism back in time but can't do same with Kurdish terrorism?
    The answer is religion.
    Yeah ofc, if you would've beaten the Kurds like you did with the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks then that would've maked you guys less MENA in mentality. Cause you know ethnic cleansing is definitely not an Arab specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post
    The Persian influence in the early Caliphates is often understimated, but the more important factor were the Nestorian Christians/Church of the East followers, many ofc being Assyrians.
    The Umayyads like Muawiyyah built their state on examples of people like you actually.

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    They're not really bad for their region. You have to look at how they fare in their region to assess how much influence religion has. Compare Bosnia/Albania with other Balkan countries, compare Somalia with other East African countries, compare Pakistan/Bangladesh with other South Asian countries, compare Indonesia/Malaysia/Brunei with other Southeast Asian countries, etc. Comparing places like Egypt to France makes no sense cause of their completely different historical circumstances. Once you compare these countries in the context of their region, then you'll see the world is not as black and white as you think.

    Also, grouping all the other countries that fit your requirement as generic "non-Muslim" makes no sense. They are for the most part all exclusively Western countries. The exceptions are China/Russia (UN security council members), South Korea, and Japan. China and Russia have a very big population and large land mass, with the latter having a massive influence in European/American politics. So it makes sense that they are permanent UN security council members. Japan and South Korea were funded very handsomely by the West after WW2 to help them rebuild which is why they are so advanced today. Notice how the two main technological global leaders in Asia are Japan and South Korea rather than Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Armenia, etc.? Its more than simply a religious issue.

    Now Islam does have some backwards views that stunt development. For example, the religious-inspired views in Islam regarding women keeps a lot of women out of the workforce who would have otherwise contributed to the development of the country. This happens because of Islam and negatively affects the development of the country. But my point is that although Islam may contribute to the backwardness of a country, it is definitely not the main factor, if even a factor at all.

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