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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I don't care arabs views but religion and race are different things. A person can be both italian and muslim or both arab and christian, no need to assimilated by religion's ethnic culture. Everyone can believe any religion that they want, no matter their race.
    Thats true. I dont think Arabs want that everyone is Arab, but Islam demands solidarity to Ummah before race. You see this in the fighters who are in Iraq or Syria to fight jihad. I watched a testimony of a german and he said "Eventhough we came from very different backgrounds there was a special brotherhood and bond between us, I never experienced before".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Thats true. I dont think Arabs want that everyone is Arab, but Islam demands solidarity to Ummah before race. You see this in the fighters who are in Iraq or Syria to fight jihad. I watched a testimony of a german and he said "Eventhough we came from very different backgrounds there was a special brotherhood and bond between us, I never experienced before".
    And how was that German? I mean how were his cloths? How were his beard shavings and manners? Let me guess... Like the people in the desert?

    The Muslim Serbs and Bosniaks took the Islam from Turks.
    Turks took Islam back in 10th century when Turks were living in what's today western Kazakhstan. There was no contact with Arabs. Turks were converted by some Khwarezmians and Sogdians.
    Later Turks reached Turkey and went until Balkans without entering in contact with Arabs. And the Muslim Balkanians became Muslim with that process. No Arab involvement at all.

    Now, the dudes from the desert have a problem with this.
    They think that after all, the originally non-Arab Levantines and North Africans Arabized. How come others do not Arabize despite being Muslims?

    Wahhabism and overall mainstream Arabs proceed with the revision of this process and think there are some problems. The status of 'universal religion, of Islam is questioned thus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I don't care arabs views but religion and race are different things. A person can be both italian and muslim or both arab and christian, no need to assimilated by religion's ethnic culture. Everyone can believe any religion that they want, no matter their race.
    You cant be muslim and greek!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    And how was that German? I mean how were his cloths? How were his beard shavings and manners? Let me guess... Like the people in the desert?

    The Muslim Serbs and Bosniaks took the Islam from Turks.
    Turks took Islam back in 10th century when Turks were living in what's today western Kazakhstan. There was no contact with Arabs. Turks were converted by some Khwarezmians and Sogdians.
    Later Turks reached Turkey and went until Balkans without entering in contact with Arabs. And the Muslim Balkanians became Muslim with that process. No Arab involvement at all.

    Now, the dudes from the desert have a problem with this.
    They think that after all, the originally non-Arab Levantines and North Africans Arabized. How come others do not Arabize despite being Muslims?

    Wahhabism and overall mainstream Arabs proceed with the revision of this process and think there are some problems.
    Yes he had a beard and muslim clothes. But many peoples had beards vikings too. Maybe the clothes are from the arabs, but maybe they are from isrealites, jesus had a beard too right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Yes he had a beard and muslim clothes. But many peoples had beards vikings too. Maybe the clothes are from the arabs, but maybe they are from isrealites, jesus had a beard too right?
    So..
    You call his cloth and beard 'Muslim cloth and beard'...
    That means Arabs succeeded with you, and made you think that their own culture is what Islam is...
    Thus, being Muslim requires that you must wear like them, act like them, shave like them, live like them...

    And that makes Islam a national Arab religion, not an universal religion.
    Exactly as how Arabs see things.

    They want every Muslim on earth goes through process Levantinves and Egyptians went during 8th century: ARABIZATION

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Ola View Post
    You cant be muslim and greek!
    Diocletian disagree...

    He said: "All Hellenes who convert to that Jewish religion are Jews"

    Roman Empire had 40 religions.

    Hellenic people are known for changing religions like socks.

    Orthodox Church is merely a religious institution among the Greeks, while Greeks existed long before Jesus and Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Thats true. I dont think Arabs want that everyone is Arab, but Islam demands solidarity to Ummah before race. You see this in the fighters who are in Iraq or Syria to fight jihad. I watched a testimony of a german and he said "Eventhough we came from very different backgrounds there was a special brotherhood and bond between us, I never experienced before".
    You are right, but i think most of turks and balkan muslims don't care about this ummah thing. Also, they don't support jihad in any way too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Ola View Post
    You cant be muslim and greek!
    I'm already not greek, just living in greece. But your comment is shit. A person can be both muslim and greek.

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    Due to Islam & the actions of Muslims
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Muslims don't enjoy a bad image in the world, arabs enjoy.
    Wrong. All muslims are hated, no matter where they come from.
    Some less (ie. south-east asians), some more (ie. everything south of europe).

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    The last people to Arabize is Waddadoids.
    Somalia became member of the Arab League in 1974 despite they are not Arabs
    They became good Muslims? Ha ha ha



    They will follow the same process as Levant and North Africa with a 1200 years delay.

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