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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Khwarezm was Iranic, situated in Northern Uzbekistan / Southern Kazakhstan, most of upper Kazakhstan was inhabited by nomadic Turkic tribes
    Then how Tajikistan survived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoLeL View Post
    Then how Tajikistan survived?
    Mountains saved them, especially Pamiri Tajiks that still have like 50 - 60% Steppe barely mixed with Turkic tribes compared to Tajiks that have some Turkic admixture, which explains why they have ~10% Mong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Mountains saved them, especially Pamiri Tajiks that still have like 50 - 60% Steppe barely mixed with Turkic tribes compared to Tajiks that have some Turkic admixture, which explains why they have ~10% Mong.
    Mountains may saved the villagers but not all people. The existence of those Mongoloid-looking Tajiks and interethnic mixing confirm that Tajiks and Mongols were good friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoLeL View Post
    Mountains may saved the villagers but not all people. The existence of those Mongoloid-looking Tajiks and interethnic mixing confirm that Tajiks and Mongols were good friends.
    The Mongols didn't care, they razed the major Persian speaking cities of Central Asia and pushed Iranian people into the East and South, Afghanistan and Tajikistan, however Sarmarkand and Bukhara still retains an Iranian majority, however its denied by the Uzbek government in order to assimilate the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    The Mongols didn't care, they razed the major Persian speaking cities of Central Asia and pushed Iranian people into the East and South, Afghanistan and Tajikistan, however Sarmarkand and Bukhara still retains an Iranian majority, however its denied by the Uzbek government in order to assimilate the population.
    Not really. Mongols only slaughtered and destroyed people and cities who resisted against them. They didn't harm the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoLeL View Post
    Not really. Mongols only slaughtered and destroyed people and cities who resisted against them. They didn't harm the rest.
    And those cities accounted for the majority of the Iranian population in Central Asia, they were heavily urbanized in those days, so you can put 2 and 2 together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    And those cities accounted for the majority of the Iranian population in Central Asia, they were heavily urbanized in those days, so you can put 2 and 2 together.
    I think their biggest impact was in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoLeL View Post
    I think their biggest impact was in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.
    There's mongol admixture among Kyrgyz and Kazakhs, but the Mongol impact on Central Asia was huge, as it shifted from Iranic to Turkic, most of Kyrgyzistan and Kazakhstan remained Turkic after the Mongols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    There's mongol admixture among Kyrgyz and Kazakhs, but the Mongol impact on Central Asia was huge, as it shifted from Iranic to Turkic, most of Kyrgyzistan and Kazakhstan remained Turkic after the Mongols.
    Which is sad really. I would really have wanted to listen on how Khawarazmian sounded like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Which is sad really. I would really have wanted to listen on how Khawarazmian sounded like.
    Its most likely a more archaic version of current Eastern Iranian languages in Tajikistan and Afghanistan, something between Avestan and modern Pashto / Pamiri perhaps

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