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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    AIPAC is mostly the domain of right-wing Jews of the sort most likely to support Wilders. The Fed tends to have a lot of Jews around it because Jews tend to be found in the financial sector to the tune of around 30% in the US. I'm personally unfamiliar with Bernanke's politics though. Greenspan was a disciple of Ayn Rand.
    And again.. a Jew.
    You know: that's something that puzzles me. How a group of 7 million people can wield such an enormous influence in a country where they are a clear minority. You may deny it but it is an actual fact. American policies and also European policies (in a lot of Western European countries) revolve around supporting Israel.

    France being the sole lucky exception.. but their choice of politics is little better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Greenspan was a disciple of Ayn Rand.
    Greenspan was a member of her little knitting circle for a time in the old days. He in no way represented or carried out anything she believed in, and he never claimed to be an Objectivist--nor would the label have, in any way, matched him. He was a typical lip-service capitalist and did innumerable disservices to free markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    And again.. a Jew.
    You know: that's something that puzzles me. How a group of 7 million people can wield such an enormous influence in a country where they are a clear minority. You may deny it but it is an actual fact. American policies and also European policies (in a lot of Western European countries) revolve around supporting Israel.

    France being the sole lucky exception.. but their choice of politics is little better.
    The same thing occurred in your country in the 17th century, and I'd argue it was better for it.

    France was Israel's primary patron until the Six Day War. De Gaulle reoriented France toward the Arabs, and we all see how that worked...

    I'm not a fan of the Jews, but not everything they do is bad, and given the right situation, they can be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    France being the sole lucky exception.. but their choice of politics is little better.
    From someone who loves Jew spotting in matters of politics, you missed something there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groenewolf View Post
    From someone who loves Jew spotting in matters of politics, you missed something there.
    "Loves". No.. I just begin to notice it. What about our own minister of foreign affairs ? The leader of the Labour Party ? Wilders himself (probably). We haven't had so many of them in positions of power for a long time !

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    The same thing occurred in your country in the 17th century, and I'd argue it was better for it.
    Not for the majority of the people.
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    France was Israel's primary patron until the Six Day War. De Gaulle reoriented France toward the Arabs, and we all see how that worked...
    Yes and ? The thing that you dislike is just the very idea that a country decides on it's own. Granted: they shouldn't have been focussed on anyone of those Desert Rats but ah well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    I'm not a fan of the Jews, but not everything they do is bad, and given the right situation, they can be used.
    No.. they use you. Not the other way around.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post

    "Loves". No.. I just begin to notice it. What about our own minister of foreign affairs ?
    You mean the one part of the Jewish group that wanted a Paars III where Harry Mens warned us about?

    The leader of the Labour Party ?
    Come on, that one is to easy. But I doubt he can do little more then slow down the power seizing of a certain other group.

    Wilders himself (probably).
    His ex-wife and current wife are Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymaus View Post
    Greenspan was a member of her little knitting circle for a time in the old days. He in no way represented or carried out anything she believed in, and he never claimed to be an Objectivist--nor would the label have, in any way, matched him. He was a typical lip-service capitalist and did innumerable disservices to free markets.
    I agree that in practice as Fed chairman he didn't institute anything Rand would identify with. In fact, he annoyed her just by taking the post. But he never denounced her as far I'm aware, and the policies he championed were very similar to hers as of the 60's.

    In fact, having read Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, I'd say Greenspan was a better representative of Rand than Rand was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groenewolf View Post
    You mean the one part of the Jewish group that wanted a Paars III where Harry Mens warned us about?
    Uri Rosenthal. Harry Mens was probably right.
    Now Amsterdam has a Jewish mayor again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groenewolf View Post
    Come on, that one is to easy. But I doubt he can do little more then slow down the power seizing of a certain other group.
    By moving in his own, just as un-Dutch, group?


    Quote Originally Posted by Groenewolf View Post
    His ex-wife and current wife are Jews.
    Yes. And in his "party" HQ hangs the Israeli flag. Should tell you something.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    I agree that in practice as Fed chairman he didn't institute anything Rand would identify with. In fact, he annoyed her just by taking the post. But he never denounced her as far I'm aware, and the policies he championed were very similar to hers as of the 60's.

    In fact, having read Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, I'd say Greenspan was a better representative of Rand than Rand was.
    Yes, in fairness, there was certainly a time when he was quite gung-go about Objectivism--no doubt that he was at one point an accepted Objectivist. However, his willingness to apply soft and pragmatic measures contrary to his beliefs for the sake of safety and expediency disqualifies him in my opinion. Capitalism is still a radical idea in the USA and he was no proponent of radicalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymaus View Post
    Yes, in fairness, there was certainly a time when he was quite gung-go about Objectivism--no doubt that he was at one point an accepted Objectivist. However, his willingness to apply soft and pragmatic measures contrary to his beliefs for the sake of safety and expediency disqualifies him in my opinion. Capitalism is still a radical idea in the USA and he was no proponent of radicalism.
    Let me correct myself on one point as I see I didn't word my post well. Greenspan alienated Rand's followers by accepting the Fed post. Rand herself died five years earlier.

    Oops.

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