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They were Caucasoid though or at least Loschbour Man clearly was.Originally Posted by Universe
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that doesn't make sense because that "tiny green cluster" can be replaced by any ethnicity (this point of reference is simply subjective). Moreover the closest people to basal eurasians were iberomaurusians and they were far from plotting next to europeans. And no this SSA is not just "0.x" this is the reality :
Lastly, three recent studies highlight the possibility of genetic exchange between Europe and Africa. Moorjani et al. (9) estimated that about 1–3% of recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry is present in multiple southern European populations; Cerezo et al. (23) find evidence of older (11,000 ya) Sub-Saharan gene flow toward Europe based on mtDNA genomes; and Auton et al. (8) found that short haplotypes were shared between the Yoruban Nigerians and southwestern Europeans.https://www.pnas.org/content/110/29/11791A gradient of shared IBD segments is observed from southern to northern Europe (based on WEA; Fig. 2 and SI Appendix, Table S3). This sharing is highest in the Iberian Peninsula for both North Africa and Sub-Saharan African IBD segments.
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"white" means absolutely nothing in that context
WHG were dark skinned and they all plotted far from each other (modern europeans are simply the product of this massive prehistoric miscegenation )
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The position of European is not random or subjective, it's based off all their West Eurasian related ancestral populations, like WHG, LBK,... That would be the crown of West Eurasia and it's that tiny green cluster.
We know Iberians, S.Italy, etc.. have some low levels of SSA/NA. And?
If everybody else had anything significant, you would see some intermediates going from Europe towards Africa on the pca, just like Mexicans go towards Amerindians or MENA and in particular North Africans go in the direction of SSA. But we don't see that for Europe. It's so the opposite of that, even Iberians are still in that tiny cluster as they have so much West Eurasian stuff, and more so than some SE pops that they are relatively closer to MENAs (it's very relative they are just on the periphery of the green) but you expect that when you are like 98-99% peak West Eurasia. You are just going to go 1-2% of the distance between W.Eurasia towards SSA or something else for that matter, towards Asian for some NE groups, that's it.
You still don't understand that basal eurasian isn't IBM, but only everything that was not SSA in it was very basal like, we know that for Natufians and some other groups too. Europeans can't be modelled properly with something Taforalt, only a few regions in the south, because im gonna repeat it again, vast majority of Europeans lack the SSA for it to comform to any sort of IBM/Taforalt like ancestry. This is why models prefer ANF, which is basal + WHG, and for some you can add CHG/Iran_N which is basal + ANE.
The IBD map with SSA has been posted about a million times by now. Happy that you are not the only one with African ancestor? Are we supposed to care, or pretend we have some too, even if we don't score it? How much would like us to imagine for you to feel better?
Honestly i don't care about your identity problems, now stop quoting me each time we talk about that, it was not even the subject really, we know you have hard time to accept the SSA in you so you want to give some to everybody else, but im not going to distort reality just so you can cope with your issues, when facts are that crystal clear even on a simple pca.
it's really funny because the actual op of this thread had exactly the same syndrom, he wanted to give Oceanian to all Euro while denying Afghan had any, that or Indian ancestry. Hilarious same mental mechanic.
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Nassbean, you are an African. That's a fact. Maybe not the George Floyd type of African but still you are one. And culturally you clearly don't fit into the country you live in. So leave the Europeans alone.
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I thought ANE was predominantly West Eurasian (related to Upper Paleolithic Euros like Sunghir, Kostenki) with around 1/4 ancient East Eurasian ancestry? Do Amerindians have significant ancient West Eurasian themselves from their ANE ancestry?
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Bengali and Siberian Tiger belong to the same Tiger subspecies. A better analogy would be Siberian/Bengali Tiger vs Javan/Sumatran Tiger. The tigers from deep Southeast Asia are classified as a different subspecies of Tiger than the ones from India/Siberia. There are tons of such examples from the animal kingdom. In africa there are 3 different subspecies of Cheetah, I don't know how much those subspecies differ genetically from each other though.
From what I've seen, in biology the term "race" isn't popular.. Instead, the subspecies is often used. Race supposedly denotes smaller differences than the term "subscpecies".
Hybridization which is mixing between different species (let alone between different subspecies) happens in the wild and such offsprings are healthy. Polar bears and Brown bears are classified as different species and half-polar-half brown bears exist in North America. I read brown bears are often something like 5-10% polar bear genetically which is a very old admixture. The issue about human biodiversity is obviously politicized.
What leftists and "woke" people get wrong is they claim "Race is to a degree socially constructed, therefore it's fake, not real" etc. They're right about the first statement (it is indeed to a degree "socially constructed"), but the conclusion they draw from the premise is BS. Countries, laws etc are also sOcIaL cOnStRuCtS but no sane person would try to say they don't exist because they are only social construcs.
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I agree to some degree with many here even if they might have another background of thinking or draw totally different conclusions from the observations but I agree race exists but is to a degree socially constructed not fully I read once that is similar to the color spectrum where two colors form a third or different lighting can create different hues like sometimes it is a bit subjektiv or very different species can see color differently But colors still exist so I think people on both sides are a bit correct and sometimes people on both sides can get too stubborn and radical
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That "race is a social construct" is just more mendacious liberal bullshit. They resort to politically motivated statistical manipulation of genetics but physical forensic anthropology (as done by the police) undermines it generally speaking.
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Liberals mentally retarded argument is akin to saying ultraviolet light or the different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are social constructs :
^oh, look, the electromagnetic spectrum is one big rainbow and ultraviolet light etc... does not exist as a discrete phenomena or entity !
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