Why Arabs failed to arabize Iranians?

[Pahli]

Not quite true. Seljuks were already a mix of mongoloid and Caucasoid when they arrived in Iran. They didn't just take persian wives and rape them dude.

Seljuqs assimilated the local Iranian population of Turkmenistan which most likely have made them more Caucasoid

[StonyArabia]

Not quite true. Seljuks were already a mix of mongoloid and Caucasoid when they arrived in Iran. They didn't just take persian wives and rape them dude.

I never said they were, but it's a fact that the Seljuks intermarried heavily with Persians. Their Persian ancestry was on their maternal side. By the time they showed themselves in Anatolia they looked very Iranian Caucasoid with only slight Mongol elements. I never said they raped them, but I said they married them which did happen. Also Turkmenistan was originally part of Persia, so they mixed with the Iranic people there, but they got more mixed when they came into Persia. Thus they became very Iranian genetically.

[Böri]

Turkmenistan (Merv) at that time was Persian majority.
Seljuks aren't from Turkmenistan. They are way more north originally, from north-east of Caspian and what's today western Kazakhstan.
Their ancestors were citizens of Khazar khaganate, not citizens of Abbasids or Abbasid clients.
When they took Iran they weren't mixed and when they reached Turkey neither were they mixed with Persians.
They were not rapist of course.

We were all in 'Ghuzz' region here.


Seljuks then splitted and went a little more south.


No Iranic populations out there.

[Pahli]

Sejluq Heartland was populated by Khwarezmian people up til the Mongolian conquest

[Böri]

Sejluq Heartland was populated by Khwarezmian people up til the Mongolian conquest

They moved there just after having civil war with their Tengrist Oghuz brothers. And then, soon after they expanded and created their empire.
Where Seljuks are originally from, that's showed in the Khazar map. Between Aral and Caspian. The family is known to have served in the Khazarian army.

[Böri]

They didn't just take persian wives and rape them dude.

Of course they didn't rape or mistreated native folks.
Seljuks were invited into Iran by Persian clerical class who believed the local Persian rulers were into batinism and blamed the 'Jewish conspiracy'. LOL.
You didn't watch The Physician (2013) movie made by Germans?

[Babak]

I never said they were, but it's a fact that the Seljuks intermarried heavily with Persians. Their Persian ancestry was on their maternal side. By the time they showed themselves in Anatolia they looked very Iranian Caucasoid with only slight Mongol elements. I never said they raped them, but I said they married them which did happen. Also Turkmenistan was originally part of Persia, so they mixed with the Iranic people there, but they got more mixed when they came into Persia. Thus they became very Iranian genetically.

Any proof? I understand they married them, but any proof they became more iranid?

[Babak]

Of course they didn't rape or mistreated native folks.
Seljuks were invited into Iran by Persian clerical class who believed the local Persian rulers were into batinism and blamed the 'Jewish conspiracy'. LOL.
You didn't watch The Physician (2013) movie made by Germans?

Says its copyright, doesn't let me watch it

[Aren]

Arabs are a Semitic people originated between the southern Levant and North-west Arabia. There's hardly much difference between the native Arameans and Arabs as they had lived together in cities like Palmyra for many centuries even before the Arabs ever became Muslims. Nope. Most Palestinians are divided by clans and tribes from Arabia, and we know our historical origins and genealogy via paternal lineage. The native Levantines actually opened the gates to the Arabs and we're not ashamed to be Arabs or middle easterners for that matter. It is you Turks who seem to be confused on your origins as a people, and as a consequence, believing that you can mimic European cultural heritage and so on. You can dress up a donkey and claim it to be a horse, but a donkey is still a donkey. Learn your place.

Blatant lies to make yourself seem less mixed. Arabic was originally not as close to Aramaic as it is today. Earlier Aramaic has had a profound effect on the modern Arabic dialects. More like a koine language nowadays tbh.
Modern Arabs are also genetically quite distinct from actual Levantines, like Samaritans and Lebanese/Palestinian Christians. Within a West Asian context ofc.
They may have been more open to Arab settlers at that time(like if there was much of a choice lol), but maybe try ask a native Levantine Christian or Jew today what they think of the Arab Muslim presence in the Levant...

[Babak]

Levantines did not lose Aramaic, Aramaic was lingua franca of the region nothing more and it belongs to the same family as Arabic in fact it's very close to Arabic, that a switch can happen easily. Not to mention the Levant had already Arabian tribes living in it since antiquity. Because Muslim Iberians took on an Arab civilization, why did the Seljuk Turks see themselves more as Persian than Turk and only in Anatolia they proclaimed it? They even adopted the tile of Roman aka Rum lol. This all tell us that Anatolian Turks are just the Greek speaking Anatolians, as well Armenians and others who were subdued and were Turkized nothing more than that.

To create a nomadic empire? Thats what nomads do. They absorb the native culture of a region, spread its influence, and assimilate natives. In this, case, it happened to be in turkey. Just like how nomadic persians migrated to Iran, absorbed the culture of the near east and assimilated the native population. Come on man, you should know this. Its the same exact concept.

And the reason why levantines switched to arabic is because they were assimilated, not because its easy to fucking switch between different languages. That's not how it works.