Why Arabs failed to arabize Iranians?

[Teutone]

Doubt it really. Arabization started mainly in the 13th century AD when Arabian tribes began migrating to Iraq, Levant and North Africa. Arabic influence in the 7th century AD in Iran and beyond was very weak, and we can see that in genetic studies that Persians don;t have Arabian admixture in contrast to Levantines.

Arabization is a cultural phenomenom to me that is linkes to Islam

We as Catholics have the same with romanization but I dont consinder this as negative as many other people dont consinder a arabization as negative in old times.

[Kamal900]

Arabization is a cultural phenomenom to me that is linkes to Islam

We as Catholics have the same with romanization but I dont consinder this as negative as many other people dont consinder a arabization as negative in old times.

Well, kinda. Persians had adopted many Arabic cultural aspects but that's about it. The shift to Arabic identity mainly happened in Iraq, Levant and North Africa due to migration of these early Arab muslims to these regions. Yes, there had been Arabs in pre-Islamic times in the Levant like the Ghassinids and the Tayyids.

[Teutone]

Well, kinda. Persians had adopted many Arabic cultural aspects but that's about it. The shift to Arabic identity mainly happened in Iraq, Levant and North Africa due to migration of these early Arab muslims to these regions. Yes, there had been Arabs in pre-Islamic times in the Levant like the Ghassinids and the Tayyids.

The heaviest Arabization culturally and ethnic wise happend in Egypt anyway

In Turkey and Iran the arabization is very minor, in Turkey its about to change tho

[Böri]

After different Turks stopped Umayyad Erabs spreading religion with swords, slaying people, taking their girls as captive during 700's...
Hadiths are written in 800's by some Sogdians travelling to Arabia...
They ask to people what they heard from their ancestors which supposedly Muhammad has said.

Surprise
Surprise.

Turks are declared as evil enemies, implying Turks are Gog and Magog...
When Bukhari writes down, that's 820's... Arabs stopped to attack Turks which they understood they will never succeed in defeating.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2928
In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 141
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 179

So dear Erabs, why the Hour (end of times) has not come yet, it's been 1300 years you fought Turks?

[Kamal900]

The heaviest Arabization culturally and ethnic wise happend in Egypt anyway

In Turkey and Iran the arabization is very minor, in Turkey its about to change tho

Due to the refugees, yes, lol. Egypt was mainly Coptic and Christian till the 13th century AD when the Mamlukis ruled the country and forced the population to speak Arabic and to be Muslims. Copts in general cluster very closely with my people, bedouins, samaritans and Yemenite Jews.

[Kamal900]

After different Turks stopped Umayyad Erabs spreading religion with swords, slaying people, taking their girls as captive during 700's...
Hadiths are written in 800's by some Sogdians travelling to Arabia...
They ask to people what they heard from their ancestors which supposedly Muhammad has said.

Surprise
Surprise.

Turks are declared as evil enemies, implying Turks are God and Magog...



So dear Erabs, why the Hour (end of times) has not come yet, it's been 1300 years you fought Turks?

Turks as in Turkic peoples, not Anatolian donkeys, you ass. Who cares. The Oghuz Turkic peoples were savages during his time.

[Böri]

Turks as in Turkic peoples, not Anatolian donkeys, you ass. Who cares. The Oghuz Turkic peoples were savages during his time.

Yes that's Turks as in Turkic people, not Armenians (owned by Erabs too).
That's what I am.
Proud Gog and Magog, which Erabs couldn't conquer.

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.28
2 Gedrosia 15.44
3 Atlantic_Med 10.81
4 North_European 8.42
5 East_Asian 8.13
6 Siberian 7.58
7 Southwest_Asian 6.95
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.7
10 Southeast_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 9.95
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.62
3 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.83
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 15.98
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.37
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 17.43
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.83
8 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.84
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 18.36
10 Iranians (Behar) 20.2
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.56
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 20.7
13 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 20.7
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 20.7
15 Lebanese (Behar) 21.11
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 21.35
17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.18
18 Armenians (Behar) 22.21
19 Cypriots (Behar) 22.34
20 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.64

It's been 1300 years.
Why still not Doomsday, Erab?

[Kamal900]

Yes that's Turks as in Turkic people, not Armenians (owned by Erabs too).
That's what I am.
Proud Gog and Magog, which Erabs couldn't conquer.



It's been 1300 years.
Why still not Doomsday, Erab?

*yawn* were you saying something? What the hell is an Erab, lol.

[Dandelion]

Doubt it really. Arabization started mainly in the 13th century AD when Arabian tribes began migrating to Iraq, Levant and North Africa. Arabic influence in the 7th century AD in Iran and beyond was very weak, and we can see that in genetic studies that Persians don;t have Arabian admixture in contrast to Levantines.

And in Bahrain lives a large Sunni Persian and a Shi'a Arab population.

[Kamal900]

And in Bahrain lives a large Sunni Persian and a Shi'a Arab population.

Indeed. Bahrain had always been part of the Iranian cultural sphere. Arabs and Aramaeans lived on the island for many centuries prior to Islam.