Page 1 of 33 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 326

Thread: Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian

  1. #1
    Veteran Member Ushtari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Online
    02-11-2014 @ 07:16 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dardania
    Country
    Kosovo
    Gender
    Posts
    4,508
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 105
    Given: 1

    0 Not allowed!

    Default Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian

    Noel Malcolm
    The Guardian, Tuesday 26 February 2008
    Article history

    "Kosovo is Serbia", "Ask any historian" read the unlikely placards, waved by angry Serb demonstrators in Brussels on Sunday. This is rather flattering for historians: we don't often get asked to adjudicate. It does not, however, follow that any historian would agree, not least because historians do not use this sort of eternal present tense.

    History, for the Serbs, started in the early 7th century, when they settled in the Balkans. Their power base was outside Kosovo, which they fully conquered in the early 13th, so the claim that Kosovo was the "cradle" of the Serbs is untrue.

    What is true is that they ruled Kosovo for about 250 years, until the final Ottoman takeover in the mid-15th century. Churches and monasteries remain from that period, but there is no more continuity between the medieval Serbian state and today's Serbia than there is between the Byzantine Empire and Greece.

    Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912. Serbs would say "liberated"; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.

    But legally, Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until some time after 1918. Then, finally, it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslav one. And with one big interruption (the second world war) it remained part of some sort of Yugoslav state until June 2006.

    Until the destruction of the old federal Yugoslavia by Milosevic, Kosovo had a dual status. It was called a part of Serbia; but it was also called a unit of the federation. In all practical ways, the latter sense prevailed: Kosovo had its own parliament and government, and was directly represented at the federal level, alongside Serbia. It was, in fact, one of the eight units of the federal system.

    Almost all the other units have now become independent states. Historically, the independence of Kosovo just completes that process. Therefore, Kosovo has become an ex-Yugoslav state, as any historian could tell you.

    · Noel Malcolm is a senior research fellow at All Souls College, Oxford. He is the author of Kosovo: A Short History
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008.../kosovo.serbia

  2. #2
    full of endorphine! Himera's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Online
    12-27-2017 @ 12:56 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    s(k)lav
    Ethnicity
    a servent
    Country
    Serbia
    Gender
    Posts
    449
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Yes a "chicha from ulica"was asked and his opinion is very obviously...

    A historician ..by himself.....shhh! .. listen to him!

    Kosova is albanian and KOSOVO is serbian...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	zahnlos_lachen.jpg 
Views:	85 
Size:	12.4 KB 
ID:	7749  

  3. #3
    Veteran Member Ushtari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Online
    02-11-2014 @ 07:16 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dardania
    Country
    Kosovo
    Gender
    Posts
    4,508
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 105
    Given: 1

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Himera View Post
    Yes a "chicha from ulica"was asked and his opinion is very obviously...

    A historician ..by himself.....shhh! .. listen to him!

    Kosova is albanian and KOSOVO is serbian...
    Indeed, what would he as a historian know about the issue

    Try to disprove him instead of feeding us your usual bullshit.

  4. #4
    full of endorphine! Himera's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Online
    12-27-2017 @ 12:56 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    s(k)lav
    Ethnicity
    a servent
    Country
    Serbia
    Gender
    Posts
    449
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ushtari View Post
    Indeed, what would he as a historian know about the issue

    Try to disprove him instead of feeding us your usual bullshit.
    "Us" ...who ?

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Online
    04-16-2012 @ 06:56 PM
    Location
    Croatia
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Croatian
    Ethnicity
    Croatian
    Ancestry
    Croatian
    Country
    Croatia
    Taxonomy
    Croatian
    Politics
    Croatia
    Religion
    Croatian
    Age
    HR
    Gender
    Posts
    1,980
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 14
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Why can't you all just get along?

  6. #6
    Veteran Member Peerkons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Last Online
    04-11-2012 @ 02:20 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Baltic
    Ethnicity
    Latvian
    Gender
    Posts
    1,175
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 23
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Kosovo is America.

  7. #7
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    09-07-2011 @ 06:46 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    -
    Ethnicity
    -
    Ancestry
    Ireland, England
    Religion
    Roman Catholic
    Gender
    Posts
    1,647
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    It's worth remembering that The Guardian is a strongly leftist newspaper and one that supported NATO 'intervention' back in '99.

  8. #8
    Veteran Member Ushtari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Online
    02-11-2014 @ 07:16 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dardania
    Country
    Kosovo
    Gender
    Posts
    4,508
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 105
    Given: 1

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gospatric View Post
    It's worth remembering that The Guardian is a strongly leftist newspaper
    And i bet you dont have one single source to contradict any of Malcolm's statements...

    and one that supported NATO 'intervention' back in '99.
    Not so strange considering the following
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...&postcount=485

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Online
    04-16-2012 @ 06:56 PM
    Location
    Croatia
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Croatian
    Ethnicity
    Croatian
    Ancestry
    Croatian
    Country
    Croatia
    Taxonomy
    Croatian
    Politics
    Croatia
    Religion
    Croatian
    Age
    HR
    Gender
    Posts
    1,980
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 14
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Well, judging by that article, Kosovo is neither Serbian nor Albanian but Turkish.

  10. #10
    Veteran Member Ushtari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Online
    02-11-2014 @ 07:16 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Illyrian
    Ethnicity
    Albanian
    Ancestry
    Dardania
    Country
    Kosovo
    Gender
    Posts
    4,508
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 105
    Given: 1

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hērētik View Post
    Well, judging by that article, Kosovo is neither Serbian nor Albanian but Turkish.
    Hehehe

    According to Serbian logic Kosovo belongs to Turks, since they have been ruling the area longest. But fact still remain, Albanians are the original inhabitants of Kosovo.

Page 1 of 33 1234511 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Lothar Machtan, historian, University of Bremen
    By The Silent Man in forum History
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 10-20-2010, 09:35 AM
  2. Replies: 58
    Last Post: 07-23-2010, 12:27 AM
  3. Was Ancient Historian One Of The First Spin Doctors?
    By Liffrea in forum History & Ethnogenesis
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-15-2009, 04:09 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •