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    Anatolians

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    Turks.

    Save vassalage to Mongol Empire in second half of 13th century. But it was on paper and there were no physical rule. Beside many little independent princeps were formed in Western Turkey (Karaman, Ottoman etc.).
    Seljuks were defeated near Sivas by Mongol armies in 1243. They accept vassalage to avoid wiping out. 1250 is year Karaman Beylik is created.

    England is the longest unconquered. Followed by Turks. Russians number 3 (Novgorod and Pskov Rus' princeps weren't physically invaded by Mongols though vassalage).


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    Anatolians
    Everyone conquered Anatolians Indo-European Hittites, Lydians, IE Armenians, Persians, Greeks, Latins, Turks etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Turks.

    Save vassalage to Mongol Empire in second half of 13th century. But it was on paper and there were no physical rule. Beside many little independent princeps were formed in Western Turkey (Karaman, Ottoman etc.).

    England is the longest unconquered. Followed by Turks. Russians number 3 (Novgorod and Pskov Rus' princeps weren't physically invaded by Mongols though vassalage).
    Weren't the Ottomans partially destroyed by the Timurids? The Timurid invasion resulted in Ottoman devastation and civil war AFAIK. If so, the Turks cannot be counted, or at least specify which Turkic group you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    Portugal had Romans, Suevis, Moorish, Spanish, French etc...

    I think it's hard to find a country (at least in Europe) that hasn't been under foreigner domination at least once.

    San Marino perhaps.
    Portugal was never occupied by any of the forces you mentioned, apart from the Spanish Kingdom...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Weren't the Ottomans partially destroyed by the Timurids? The Timurid invasion resulted in Ottoman devastation and civil war AFAIK. If so, the Turks cannot be counted, or at least specify which Turkic group you're talking about.
    Ottomans didn't lose their lands in the Balkans.
    But I don't know if that can be counted as independent. That is still counted as independent though that is questionable.
    Since the Ottoman civil war was not won by Suleyman who fled with Serbs to Balkans.
    It was won by Mehmed I who was captured by Timur, given some lands in Anatolia.
    Mehmed I was vassal to Timur even minting coins with Timur name. but after he took Balkans from Suleyman and Musa, he stopped doing that vassalage.
    So I don't know but historians still consider 1243 as last invasion date of Turkey. So the Timurid era seems like a vassalage though historians do not count.

    1402-1413. Indepent Ottomans in Balkans. With Suleyman and then Musa.
    1413. Mehmed from Anatolia, vassal to Timurids, take over Balkans but he is independent from Timurids then.

    That is open to discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Portugal was never occupied by any of the forces you mentioned, apart from the Spanish Kingdom...
    Romans owned Portugal, they called it Lusitania and was neighboring with Terraconensis to the east, Baetica to the South East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Romans owned Portugal, they called it Lusitania and was neighboring with Terraconensis to the east, Baetica to the South East.
    Portugal as a nation exists since 1139 so you might want to explain me how the Romans owned or conquered Portugal, dumb-dumb.
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    Portugal was invaded in 1808 by Imperial France.

    Last time every country in and around Europe invaded here.



    England not correct. Last time invaded in 1066 by Franco-Normans.
    They are leader.

    Map shows us Turkey and Russia are historically invaded by states coming from East, not West.

    Russians pushing back both Napoleon and Hitler, though not Mongols is another example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Portugal as a nation exists since 1139 so you might want to explain me how the Romans owned or conquered Portugal, dumb-dumb.
    Only if your ancestors came 1139 A.D.

    Do you claim that you are not related to Celts and Romans?

    If people of Portugal are Vandals, Goths then you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Portugal was invaded in 1808 by Imperial France.
    Portugal was invaded by Napoleonic forces but it was never conquered or under their influence. We defeated their three invasion attempts, so obviously we were never conquered by France unlike much of the rest of Europe.





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