Greek uers, how do you feel about Pontic Greeks?

[Myanthropologies]

Some users like to claim that pontic Greeks are not real Greeks and are just "Hellenized Caucasians" that became Greek in 1922, when that is actually just the year they started MOVING to Greece. However, documentations shows that they really have been "Greek" since 1450 BC, meaning that they have been Greek since ancient times, and their ancestors count as some of the "ancient Greeks," too. This is obvious in the fact that their language largely stems from Byzantine and Ionic Greek. Pontic Greeks have preserved a lot of ancient Greek heritage in the form of their language, their music, and some of their cultural traditions. Although they definitely do have influences from Persia, Turkey, and the Caucasus, they are predominately culturally Greek. Lastly, while their ancestry does largely come from the Caucasus, ethnicity is more than just DNA. Pontic Greeks have been Greeks since ancient times, and they were Greek during periods when approximately 1/8 - 1/4 of the ancestors of modern mainland Greeks were Slavic and Slavic speaking (which was not that long ago). So in reality, all of this blurs the line of "pure Greek" or "real Greek."

Second of all, it is considered very unethical to tell a group of people that they aren't what they say they are and to eradicate their beliefs of who their ancestors were. That is obstructing a culture and can cause members emotional distress.

Ever since the revolution of autosomal DNA studies some 18 years ago, people are using such a trivial thing against different groups of Greeks and it is very unethical. Autosomal DNA has several limitations, too. Greeks have already used other ways of defining themselves since ancient times, now suddenly everyone is using an 18 year old DNA test to smother the historical and ethnic meaning of what it means to be Greek, and it is really disrespectful.

This isn't to say that DNA testing isn't important or can't give clues; it is and it can. But DNA cannot be used to define who is "Greek," because being Greek historically was and is a very complicated identity that assimilated a lot of different people since ancient times. Why are we basing Greekness and Greek DNA off of modern day borders of Greece? There are better ways to describe Pontic Greeks' ancestry than "Hellenized Caucasian."

[KingOf]

fully Greek.
the complex some Greeks have with them is because they have also relations to Asia and not Europe (same goes with Cypriots)
if they came in 1922 as descedants of remaining Greek colonists from Iberia or Marseille no one would say they are less Greeks or any similar crap

[Myanthropologies]

fully Greek.
the complex some Greeks have with them is because they have also relations to Asia and not Europe (same goes with Cypriots)
if they came in 1922 as descedants of remaining Greek colonists from Iberia or Marseille no one would say they are less Greeks or any similar crap

That is true. I see some non-Greek users trying to it, too. I actually started this thread bc I got into a debate with sikeliot about this. I don't think his opinion is informed at all though, especially considering that he thought Pontic Greeks have only been Greek since 1922 until I told him otherwise the other day.

[Tauromachos]

Pontic Greeks in the Greek mainstream are viewed as fully Greek people and the Pontus region has a lot
of Ancient and Byzantine Greek history and always was essentialy considered part of the Hellenic world.

Alos Pontians since they live in Greeks mixed alot with locals from all other parts

There are several Actors,Politicians,Scientists,Military Men,Athletes,Singers of either partial or full Pontian origins in
Greece and modern Greek history

[Rgvgjhvv]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ian-Greeks-etc

We are Greek!

It was only as recently as this WEEK (Honestly..) that I found out my grandmother is Pontic Greek. I assume my ancestors are originally descendants of Greek colonizers near modern-day Trabzon, but more recently they were settled in Nikomedia (modern-day Izmit) and then up to Şile on the Black Sea, near Constantinople. So even though I'm roughly only 25% Pontic Greek (details are unclear atm), I think I deserve, as every single Greek person does, to feel comfortable enough to speak for all Pontic Greeks and say that they are without a shadow of a doubt - Greek!!

To try and target ethnic differences between Pontic Greeks and non-Pontic Greeks as a means to put the two groups against each other is incredibly offensive. What is "ethnically Greek"? It's not a model formula that every single Greek person has to an exact 'science'. There's going to be some differences - it just takes a basic knowledge of history and geography to understand that. Europe/West Asia is very complex. It does not mean one group is less or more Greek, however. Not even close.

[Papastratosels26]

They have Greek ancenstry BUT they mixed with natives of Anatolia and Caucasus.Even in phenotypes are different from the Mainlanders.

[Rgvgjhvv]

They have Greek ancenstry BUT they mixed with natives of Anatolia and Caucasus.Even in phenotypes are different from the Mainlanders.

We're really going to start this? Jesus Christ, people on this forum. Not every Pontic Greek has the same phenotype. Many Greeks have some sort of mixing in the thousands of years they've been around - what a surprise...

[Kouros]

Why are you so obsessed with Pontic Greeks?

[Papastratosels26]

Even the Mainlanders have different look and mentality.Why some users are so obsessed to prove that Greeks are 100% homogenus?

[Tauromachos]

We're really going to start this? Jesus Christ, people on this forum. Not every Pontic Greek has the same phenotype. Many Greeks have some sort of mixing in the thousands of years they've been around - what a surprise...

Neither do all Pontians have the same phenotype nor all Mainlanders or Islanders

The notion Mainlander vs other Pontic,Islander or so itself is idiotic

Mainlanders distinguish themselfes also as Macedonians,Thracian,Thessalians,Arkadians,Arvanit es,Epirotes e.c.t

Islanders distinguish themselfes as Samiotes,Chiotes,Cycladites,Dodecanese

Cretan distuinguish themselfes from other Islanders.


But all Geeks groups are similar in the botton line with different local variations in culture,customs and admixture they can have from other groups
Nothing more