My parents' DNA Tribes results

[Gorilla]

Nice results.

[Grace O'Malley]

As for those Irish deserters:

After the end of the war, they were probably given some land by Polish king and settled in Poland.

Just like Swedish captives.



Yes a western pull but especially south-western or Celtic, not Germanic.

In Eurogenes K15 my mom has more North Sea but much less Atlantic:

1. Father:

Population
North_Sea 24.18
Atlantic 19.34
Baltic 24.98
Eastern_Euro 15.86
West_Med 5.16
West_Asian 4.74
East_Med 4.53
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23
Northeast_African 0.96
Sub-Saharan -

2. Mother:

Population
North_Sea 26.77
Atlantic 14.93
Baltic 23.96
Eastern_Euro 19.95
West_Med 5.53
West_Asian 4.42
East_Med 3.32
Red_Sea 0.24
South_Asian 0.17
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.54
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.17
Sub-Saharan -

History is wonderful and so much of it is unknown. Irish soldiers were even in Russia so people got about. I think Irish and Scots went everywhere either willingly or not so willingly.

The most recognised and outstanding Irishman to serve in the Russian Army was Peter Lacy from Bruff, County Limerick, who died in 1751 while governor of Livonia. Lacy's daughter married another Irish man from Limerick, General George Browne who became a Russian general and their son Johann Georg von Browne also rose to the rank of general in Russia. Count John O'Rourke was a prominent military theorist during the time of Catherine the Great. O'Rourke and his brother Cornelius joined the Russian Army. Cornelius married a niece of Lacy.[21] John O'Rourke's son Joseph Cornelius O'Rourke rose to the rank of lieutenant general during the Napoleonic period. Another prominent descendant Eduard Alexander Ladislaus Graf (Count) O'Rourke became the bishop of Gdańsk in the inter war years and died an exile in Rome in 1943.

What makes you say your father's pull is south-western when he gets some Irish and Scottish Argyll Bute in that DNA Tribes result?

[Peterski]

Here is my dad's Mixed Mode in Eurogenes K15, Irish and Scottish also show up:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.58
2 Polish 5.85
(...)

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.5% Belorussian + 34.5% West_German @ 2.37
2 80% South_Polish + 20% North_German @ 2.55
3 68.9% Russian_Smolensk + 31.1% West_German @ 2.62
4 82.8% South_Polish + 17.2% Danish @ 2.65
5 84.3% South_Polish + 15.7% Irish @ 2.69
6 51.8% Austrian + 48.2% Estonian @ 2.71
7 84.8% South_Polish + 15.2% West_Scottish @ 2.71
8 83.2% South_Polish + 16.8% North_Dutch @ 2.71
9 84.6% South_Polish + 15.4% Southeast_English @ 2.78
10 86.2% South_Polish + 13.8% Orcadian @ 2.84
11 82.1% South_Polish + 17.9% Swedish @ 2.89
12 85.3% South_Polish + 14.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.98
13 83.7% South_Polish + 16.3% Norwegian @ 3.01
14 85.5% South_Polish + 14.5% Southwest_English @ 3.05
15 58.2% Lithuanian + 41.8% West_German @ 3.07
16 83.8% South_Polish + 16.2% West_German @ 3.09
17 57% Polish + 43% Hungarian @ 3.11
18 62.6% Southwest_Russian + 37.4% North_German @ 3.12
19 66.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.7% North_Dutch @ 3.14
20 62.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.9% North_German @ 3.14

And his 4-Ancestors Oracle, here Scottish shows up already in 3 populations mode:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Polish @ 5.266597
2 Polish @ 6.805603
(...)

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Estonian @ 2.915383

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Romanian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.014763

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Romanian @ 1.940551
2 Danish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.993862
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.014763
(...)

What makes you say your father's pull is south-western when he gets some Irish and Scottish Argyll Bute in that DNA Tribes result?

Maybe not south-western but not Nordic either. Rather Celtic. In various GEDmatch Oracles he gets western & southern pull (Austria, Hungary, Romania, the Balkans, etc.), while my mom gets northern & eastern (Scandinavia, SW Finland, Estonia, Latvia, etc.).

[Grace O'Malley]

Here is my dad's Mixed Mode in Eurogenes K15, Irish and Scottish also show up:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.58
2 Polish 5.85
(...)

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.5% Belorussian + 34.5% West_German @ 2.37
2 80% South_Polish + 20% North_German @ 2.55
3 68.9% Russian_Smolensk + 31.1% West_German @ 2.62
4 82.8% South_Polish + 17.2% Danish @ 2.65
5 84.3% South_Polish + 15.7% Irish @ 2.69
6 51.8% Austrian + 48.2% Estonian @ 2.71
7 84.8% South_Polish + 15.2% West_Scottish @ 2.71
8 83.2% South_Polish + 16.8% North_Dutch @ 2.71
9 84.6% South_Polish + 15.4% Southeast_English @ 2.78
10 86.2% South_Polish + 13.8% Orcadian @ 2.84
11 82.1% South_Polish + 17.9% Swedish @ 2.89
12 85.3% South_Polish + 14.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.98
13 83.7% South_Polish + 16.3% Norwegian @ 3.01
14 85.5% South_Polish + 14.5% Southwest_English @ 3.05
15 58.2% Lithuanian + 41.8% West_German @ 3.07
16 83.8% South_Polish + 16.2% West_German @ 3.09
17 57% Polish + 43% Hungarian @ 3.11
18 62.6% Southwest_Russian + 37.4% North_German @ 3.12
19 66.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.7% North_Dutch @ 3.14
20 62.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.9% North_German @ 3.14

And his 4-Ancestors Oracle, here Scottish shows up already in 3 populations mode:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Polish @ 5.266597
2 Polish @ 6.805603
(...)

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Estonian @ 2.915383

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Romanian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.014763

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Romanian @ 1.940551
2 Danish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.993862
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.014763
(...)



Maybe not south-western but not Nordic either. Rather Celtic. In various GEDmatch Oracles he gets western & southern pull (Austria, Hungary, Romania, the Balkans, etc.), while my mom gets northern & eastern (Scandinavia, SW Finland, Estonia, Latvia, etc.).

Yes it appears more Northwestern than Southwestern. Although I don't think you can separate the Insular Celts from Germanics so I don't really use that terminology for genetics anymore. There is too much overlap. You can even see this in your father's results as the Irish and Scots are always in the Northwest European mix with the North Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, English and Germans etc. The Bretons and Normans would also be in there if they were included in more of these calculators.

[Dibran]

Mine. Shabad Shalom lol

[TeutonicBoyars]

The Celtic pull can be recent. Scottish merchants and mercenaries had a pretty well documented presence in Poland-Lithuania. I know of another Pole who's Y-DNA is of Scottish origin, apparently with genealogy trails to back it up, from a merchant family apparently. I don't know how Y-DNA works exactly, but considering your father matches most closely to other Scots maybe it can be from that?

[Gründig]

Was thinking of uploading my raw data and doing the DNAtribe snp test. Do you think it's worth it?

[Peterski]

The Celtic pull can be recent.

I don't think I have any surnames of obvious Scottish origin in the family. Maybe it is ancient: