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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Do you have any results of South-Tyroleans?
    Unfortunately no, though there are PCA's where they have been plotted such as the K13 and K15 megaplots from Anthrogenica:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0afw85ftw...Iter3.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/j00tw7ote1...anche.png?dl=0

    Tyrolese appear to be considerably south shifted compared to transalpine Austrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Do you have any results of South-Tyroleans?
    South Tyrolean

    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 31.04
    2 Caucasian 27.71
    3 NorthEastEuropean 21.84
    4 Steppe 18.58
    5 NearEast 0.84

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Serbian (Serbia) 5.28
    2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.55
    3 Romanian (Apuseni) 6.24
    4 French (EastFrance) 6.37
    5 German (Germany) 6.47
    6 French (NorthwestFrance) 6.49
    7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.5
    8 Italian (Friul) 6.75
    9 Provencal (Provence) 6.89
    10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.96
    11 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.05
    12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.06
    13 Moldavian (Molodva) 7.14
    14 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.22
    15 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.4
    16 Croat (Croatia) 7.45
    17 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.78
    18 German (SouthGermany) 7.78
    19 Austrian (Austria) 7.86
    20 Italian (Bergamo) 7.95

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.9% German (Germany) + 12.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.66
    2 66.8% German (Germany) + 33.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.67
    3 60.6% German (Germany) + 39.4% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.74
    4 67.2% German (Germany) + 32.8% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.8
    5 50.2% German (Germany) + 49.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 3
    6 68.5% German (Germany) + 31.5% Greek (Greece) @ 3.04
    7 87.8% German (Germany) + 12.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.1
    8 60.4% Italian (Bergamo) + 39.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 3.11
    9 51.9% Croat (Croatia) + 48.1% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.14
    10 68.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 31.4% Pole (Poland) @ 3.15
    11 85.1% German (Germany) + 14.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.16
    12 69% Italian (Bergamo) + 31% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 3.17
    13 55.8% German (Germany) + 44.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.2
    14 76.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 23.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.2
    15 56.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 43.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 3.21
    16 54.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 45.2% French (France) @ 3.23
    17 80.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 19.2% Basque (France) @ 3.25
    18 57.4% German (Germany) + 42.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.26
    19 88.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 11.5% Basque (France) @ 3.29
    20 89.3% German (Germany) + 10.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.3



    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 33.52
    2 Baltic 21.67
    3 West_Med 20.7
    4 East_Med 11.38
    5 West_Asian 8.97
    6 Red_Sea 2.16
    7 Oceanian 0.82
    8 South_Asian 0.49
    9 Amerindian 0.29

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Serbian 9.49
    2 French 9.53
    3 Austrian 10.22
    4 West_German 10.5
    5 Romanian 10.85
    6 South_Dutch 11.54
    7 Hungarian 11.75
    8 North_Italian 12.29
    9 East_German 12.46
    10 Portuguese 12.66
    11 Spanish_Galicia 12.7
    12 Spanish_Cataluna 12.98
    13 Bulgarian 13.34
    14 Spanish_Extremadura 14.02
    15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.03
    16 Moldavian 14.3
    17 Spanish_Valencia 14.86
    18 Spanish_Murcia 14.95
    19 Croatian 15.15
    20 Spanish_Cantabria 15.29

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.9% Serbian + 25.1% French_Basque @ 2.19
    2 52.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 47.5% Moldavian @ 2.81
    3 52.3% Moldavian + 47.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.89
    4 54.9% Austrian + 45.1% North_Italian @ 2.89
    5 50.4% North_Italian + 49.6% East_German @ 2.92
    6 56.3% Moldavian + 43.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.02
    7 62.7% Serbian + 37.3% Southwest_French @ 3.05
    8 62.6% Serbian + 37.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.13
    9 51.2% Croatian + 48.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.18
    10 52.7% Moldavian + 47.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.18
    11 50.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 49.5% Moldavian @ 3.34
    12 50.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 49.5% Moldavian @ 3.35
    13 51% Moldavian + 49% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.4
    14 51.2% Moldavian + 48.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.42
    15 52% Spanish_Extremadura + 48% Croatian @ 3.48
    16 53.7% French + 46.3% Romanian @ 3.48
    17 51.8% Moldavian + 48.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.48
    18 63.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 36.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52
    19 53.3% Portuguese + 46.7% Moldavian @ 3.54
    20 58% Hungarian + 42% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.57


    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 35.54
    2 North_European 35.06
    3 Caucasus 18.48
    4 Gedrosia 6.63
    5 Southwest_Asian 4.25


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.534163
    2 French_HGDP @ 13.701546
    3 French_Dodecad @ 13.740625
    4 Romanians_Behar @ 15.398993
    5 German_Dodecad @ 16.165371
    6 Hungarians_Behar @ 16.264629
    7 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 16.397961
    8 North_Italian_HGDP @ 16.419287
    9 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 17.035686
    10 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 17.073896
    11 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.172503
    12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 18.301487
    13 Kent_1000Genomes @ 19.240065
    14 TSI30_Metspalu @ 19.337118
    15 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 19.558416
    16 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 19.573469
    17 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 19.788422
    18 English_Dodecad @ 19.922129
    19 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 20.651142
    20 Tuscan_HGDP @ 20.736839

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Dodecad +50% TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.667686


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Dodecad +25% N_Italian_Dodecad +25% Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.928285


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.591697
    2 Greek_Dodecad + Kent_1000Genomes + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.594318
    3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Dutch_Dodecad + French_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.666867
    4 CEU30_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.689761
    5 English_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.698167
    6 Dutch_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.701307
    7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Dutch_Dodecad + French_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.729576
    8 Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.754284
    9 Dutch_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.769804
    10 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.772480
    11 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.801561
    12 British_Isles_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.833965
    13 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Dutch_Dodecad + French_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.837094
    14 Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.860801
    15 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + French_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.862060
    16 C_Italian_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.869926
    17 German_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.871956
    18 Cornwall_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.887939
    19 British_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.889442
    20 Hungarians_Behar + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.890505

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauχum View Post

    Here they are plotted on the Eurogenes K15 map.
    Attachment 77905
    For your K15 map


    South Tyrolean

    North_Sea 26.34
    Atlantic 17.65
    Baltic 12.98
    Eastern_Euro 6.69
    West_Med 17.16
    West_Asian 7.57
    East_Med 8.62
    Red_Sea 2.08
    South_Asian 0.19
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.19
    Oceanian 0.53
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -


    Ladin from Val Gardena

    North_Sea 23.89
    Atlantic 18.44
    Baltic 9.72
    Eastern_Euro 7.02
    West_Med 17.11
    West_Asian 6.20
    East_Med 14.89
    Red_Sea 1.47
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian 0.52
    Siberian 0.76
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -


    Cimbrian from Veneto

    North_Sea 25.73
    Atlantic 20.24
    Baltic 11.21
    Eastern_Euro 6.49
    West_Med 15.99
    West_Asian 5.42
    East_Med 12.58
    Red_Sea 1.73
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.34
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.28

    Trentino from Trento

    North_Sea 21.05
    Atlantic 24.85
    Baltic 11.30
    Eastern_Euro 6.42
    West_Med 17.90
    West_Asian 3.99
    East_Med 13.11
    Red_Sea 1.24
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.13
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percivalle View Post
    For your K15 map


    South Tyrolean

    North_Sea 26.34
    Atlantic 17.65
    Baltic 12.98
    Eastern_Euro 6.69
    West_Med 17.16
    West_Asian 7.57
    East_Med 8.62
    Red_Sea 2.08
    South_Asian 0.19
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.19
    Oceanian 0.53
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -


    Ladin from Val Gardena

    North_Sea 23.89
    Atlantic 18.44
    Baltic 9.72
    Eastern_Euro 7.02
    West_Med 17.11
    West_Asian 6.20
    East_Med 14.89
    Red_Sea 1.47
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian 0.52
    Siberian 0.76
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -


    Cimbrian from Veneto

    North_Sea 25.73
    Atlantic 20.24
    Baltic 11.21
    Eastern_Euro 6.49
    West_Med 15.99
    West_Asian 5.42
    East_Med 12.58
    Red_Sea 1.73
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.34
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.28

    Trentino from Trento

    North_Sea 21.05
    Atlantic 24.85
    Baltic 11.30
    Eastern_Euro 6.42
    West_Med 17.90
    West_Asian 3.99
    East_Med 13.11
    Red_Sea 1.24
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.13
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -
    Thanks for these. Can you post the oracle for the person from Trentino?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauχum View Post
    Thanks for these. Can you post the oracle for the person from Trentino?
    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 24.85
    2 North_Sea 21.05
    3 West_Med 17.9
    4 East_Med 13.11
    5 Baltic 11.3
    6 Eastern_Euro 6.42
    7 West_Asian 3.99
    8 Red_Sea 1.24
    9 Amerindian 0.13

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Spanish_Cataluna 7.25
    2 North_Italian 7.6
    3 Portuguese 7.86
    4 Spanish_Galicia 8.12
    5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.46
    6 Spanish_Murcia 8.8
    7 Spanish_Extremadura 8.92
    8 French 9.09
    9 Spanish_Valencia 9.97
    10 Spanish_Andalucia 10.78
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 11.41
    12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.42
    13 Serbian 11.56
    14 Southwest_French 11.69
    15 South_Dutch 12.39
    16 Tuscan 12.62
    17 Spanish_Aragon 12.71
    18 Austrian 13
    19 Romanian 13.07
    20 Bulgarian 14.17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 37.2% Serbian @ 2.98
    2 65.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 34.1% Romanian @ 3.04
    3 76.5% North_Italian + 23.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.05
    4 68% Spanish_Cataluna + 32% Bulgarian @ 3.26
    5 68% North_Italian + 32% East_German @ 3.31
    6 77.1% North_Italian + 22.9% North_Swedish @ 3.36
    7 76.8% North_Italian + 23.2% Swedish @ 3.5
    8 57.7% Spanish_Murcia + 42.3% Serbian @ 3.53
    9 64.3% Spanish_Murcia + 35.7% Hungarian @ 3.57
    10 72.3% North_Italian + 27.7% North_German @ 3.58
    11 78.9% North_Italian + 21.1% Finnish @ 3.61
    12 81.2% North_Italian + 18.8% Estonian @ 3.63
    13 59% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 41% Serbian @ 3.67
    14 68.3% Spanish_Murcia + 31.7% Moldavian @ 3.69
    15 76.8% North_Italian + 23.2% Norwegian @ 3.71
    16 54.2% Spanish_Valencia + 45.8% Serbian @ 3.71
    17 73.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 26.6% Moldavian @ 3.71
    18 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Danish @ 3.72
    19 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% South_Dutch @ 3.77
    20 65.4% North_Italian + 34.6% Austrian @ 3.83

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    Here they are plotted, the one for Trentino looks a little screwy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauχum View Post
    Here they are plotted, the one for Trentino looks a little screwy though.
    NEITALY.png
    Can you add mine + two results from Cuneo?

    Population
    North_Sea 23.60
    Atlantic 20.94
    Baltic 10.41
    Eastern_Euro 1.56
    West_Med 21.11
    West_Asian 9.65
    East_Med 11.19
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian 1.17
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.37

    Cuneo 1
    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 24.61
    2 North_Sea 24.02
    3 West_Med 20.06
    4 East_Med 13.99
    5 Baltic 8.93
    6 West_Asian 3.83
    7 Eastern_Euro 2.92
    8 Red_Sea 1.34
    9 South_Asian 0.32

    Cuneo 2
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 24.89
    2 Atlantic 22.56
    3 West_Med 21
    4 East_Med 11.97
    5 Baltic 9.51
    6 West_Asian 7.4
    7 Eastern_Euro 1.13
    8 Red_Sea 0.94
    9 South_Asian 0.59

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percivalle View Post
    South Tyrolean

    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 31.04
    2 Caucasian 27.71
    3 NorthEastEuropean 21.84
    4 Steppe 18.58
    5 NearEast 0.84

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Serbian (Serbia) 5.28
    2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.55
    3 Romanian (Apuseni) 6.24
    4 French (EastFrance) 6.37
    5 German (Germany) 6.47
    6 French (NorthwestFrance) 6.49
    7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.5
    8 Italian (Friul) 6.75
    9 Provencal (Provence) 6.89
    10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.96
    11 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.05
    12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.06
    13 Moldavian (Molodva) 7.14
    14 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.22
    15 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.4
    16 Croat (Croatia) 7.45
    17 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.78
    18 German (SouthGermany) 7.78
    19 Austrian (Austria) 7.86
    20 Italian (Bergamo) 7.95

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.9% German (Germany) + 12.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.66
    2 66.8% German (Germany) + 33.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.67
    3 60.6% German (Germany) + 39.4% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.74
    4 67.2% German (Germany) + 32.8% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.8
    5 50.2% German (Germany) + 49.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 3
    6 68.5% German (Germany) + 31.5% Greek (Greece) @ 3.04
    7 87.8% German (Germany) + 12.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.1
    8 60.4% Italian (Bergamo) + 39.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 3.11
    9 51.9% Croat (Croatia) + 48.1% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.14
    10 68.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 31.4% Pole (Poland) @ 3.15
    11 85.1% German (Germany) + 14.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.16
    12 69% Italian (Bergamo) + 31% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 3.17
    13 55.8% German (Germany) + 44.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.2
    14 76.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 23.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.2
    15 56.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 43.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 3.21
    16 54.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 45.2% French (France) @ 3.23
    17 80.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 19.2% Basque (France) @ 3.25
    18 57.4% German (Germany) + 42.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.26
    19 88.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 11.5% Basque (France) @ 3.29
    20 89.3% German (Germany) + 10.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.3
    Serious question. How come this South Tyrolean gets Serbian as his first pop? Here's mine:

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    Can you also post his 2,3 and 4 population approximations like I did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Can you add mine + two results from Cuneo?

    Population
    North_Sea 23.60
    Atlantic 20.94
    Baltic 10.41
    Eastern_Euro 1.56
    West_Med 21.11
    West_Asian 9.65
    East_Med 11.19
    Red_Sea -
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    1 Atlantic 24.61
    2 North_Sea 24.02
    3 West_Med 20.06
    4 East_Med 13.99
    5 Baltic 8.93
    6 West_Asian 3.83
    7 Eastern_Euro 2.92
    8 Red_Sea 1.34
    9 South_Asian 0.32

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    1 North_Sea 24.89
    2 Atlantic 22.56
    3 West_Med 21
    4 East_Med 11.97
    5 Baltic 9.51
    6 West_Asian 7.4
    7 Eastern_Euro 1.13
    8 Red_Sea 0.94
    9 South_Asian 0.59

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    Interesting results. You're a bit north-shifted compared to Bergamo, whilst the Cuneo results are very close to Catalans, are they from the Occitan speaking areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauχum View Post
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    Interesting results. You're a bit north-shifted compared to Bergamo, whilst the Cuneo results are very close to Catalans, are they from the Occitan speaking areas?
    They are from Boves and Peveragno respectively, I went through their Gedcom and there's no trace of Occitan ancestry.

    Boves and Peveragno are 100% Piedmontese but are claimed to be Occitan for political reasons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occita...the_482/99_Act

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