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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Sarmatians in the west were from these haps. The Turkic Scythians to the east had other haps like N.
    The elite Scythian East to West were Z93. Spare us your Turkic agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    The elite Scythian East to West were Z93. Spare us your Turkic agenda.
    Ice princes from Pazyryk were N. That's fact established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Ice princes from Pazyryk were N. That's fact established.
    They were not Turks or Turkic. They were Iranic..It seems that they were racially Eurasians as in the case with many Scythians from Siberia.

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    Additionally the video is mentioning archaeological sites some 42000 years old. Predating civilizations and event scythians. Long before R1a it even R1 formed in Siberia. Moron. Split between Indo-Iranian and Proto-Balto-Slavic happen around the formation/split of R1a-M417 which is only dated to around 4,000BC or so.

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    Scythians were all of that is Russia today: Mix of various Turkic, Iranic, Germanic etc.. people who always lived together and mixed with each other.

    They were known as Sarmatians, Scythians, Slavs etc.. but it was all the same people.

    Scythia was never EVER a single ethnicity.

    That's why "Scythians" applies for both Turkic, Iranic haplogroups.

    R1a is predminantly Scythian haplogroup, and South Slavs are 50% Scythians 50% greco-roman

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    The Scythians were a Turkic nomadic people like the Kazakhs for example, and they mixed in with different ethnicities / races. Scythians lived in the area what we now call Kazakhstan. If you look at the DNA of Kazakhs you can see that they are mixed as well.

    Kazakh dna results eurogenes k13:
    West Asian
    12.28
    East Med
    0.99
    West Med
    1.47
    South Asian
    3.34
    Red Sea
    0.86
    Baltic
    11.87
    North Atlantic
    7.42
    Siberian
    36.11
    Amerindian
    2.22
    East Asian
    22.47
    Oceanian
    0.91

    Quote Originally Posted by Hashoeva View Post
    Kazakhs people are the (mixed) descendants of the Scythians. But Mongols mixed with them by conquering and mixed with other Central-Asian, so they have some amount of Mongol DNA. But it probably depends on region of Kazakhstan, families, tribes, etc. The Scythians had far mor in common with Turkic tribes then with the Indo-Iranians.

    Kazakh hat and in traditional clothes:


    Scythian hat:





    Until the 1930s, even the official Russian historiography recognized in Scythians the Türkic tribes. In 1930s, the Soviet historiography has changed dramatically.

    The surviving information about religion of the Scythians, Massagetae/Masguts, and Alans does not contain even a hint at anything Iranic-Zoroastrian. In the absence of real facts, the religious beliefs, language, and mythology of the modern Ossetians were substituted for that of the Scythians. Typical for the Russian scientific practices of Potemkin villages.

    The Scythian golden plow, yoke, battle-axe, and drinking-cup that fell from the sky do have a Türkic mythological basis in the astronomical nomenclature.

    The Nart epos of the peoples of Northern Pontic and the Caucasus, is connected with the Scythian mythology, the Narts of the epos are believed to be the Scythians, the epos is shared by the Abkhazes, Adygs, Ingushes, Karachai-Balkars, Nakhs, Kumyks, and Ossetians.

    Were the Scythians Iranian-speaking ancestors of the Ossetians, the names of the gods of smithy among the Abkhazians, Adygs, and Ossetians would have been Iranian, and not Türkic. Ditto for the name of the eponymic pra-mother of the Narts Satanai, where ana is as much “mother” in Türkic as the adam is “man”.

    Scythian original way of divination using willow twigs and linden bast is confirmed by the oldest Türkic runiform book “Irk bitig” (“Book of Omens”), in contrast with Indo-Iranians.

    Scythians buried with their dead dozens, and sometimes hundreds of horses, in contrast with Indo-Iranians.

    Scythians' embalming bodies of the Scythian chiefs, in contrast with Indo-Iranians. Herodotus 6.71 described in detail the embalming procedure.

    The Scythian names for the deities exactly match the Karachai-Balkar names for the deities, the Scythian mythology was inherited by the Balkars and preserved in their folk memory to this day, in contrast with Indo-Iranians.

    Scythians lived in felt yurts, they widely used felt products in their life, in contrast with Indo-Iranians.

    Scythian original method of cooking meat in a stomach over a fire of bones and wood, in contrast with Indo-Iranian cooking methods.

    Scythian method of scalping enemies by incising skin around the head at ear level; carrying around scalps of felled enemies, in contrast with Indo-Iranians.

    The Scythian rock art, their petroglyphs are found across Eurasia, in areas invariably populated by the Türkic people: Urals, Itil/Volga, Caucasus, Northern Pontic, Middle Asia, and Siberia. Numerous petroglyphs are complemented by Türkic written inscriptions, which caused experts like I.Kyzlasov to be astonished by the extent of literacy among the ancient Türkic people. The body of documented surviving rock inscriptions numbers in many hundreds. The spread of the rock art is congruent with the other hallmark traits: kurgan burials, Seima-Turbino Metallurgical Province, spread of cauldrons, and the like, none of which is typical for the Indo-Iranians.


    K.Laipanov, I.Miziev

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Ice princes from Pazyryk were N. That's fact established.
    No ones denying they had haplogroup N among them. I’m denying your claim they were chiefly and originated from N. Take your Turkic agenda somewhere else. Scythian originated from R1a-Z93. They were an Indo-Iranian speaking people originally(at their inception) as was the language of the Steppe, prior to the recent Turkifcation of the Steppe.

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    More possible than being Turkic lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    R1a is predminantly Scythian haplogroup, and South Slavs are 50% Scythians 50% greco-roman
    The R1a among Slavs is not the same as those found among Arabs, Jews, Scythians and etc which is R1a-Z93. Shammari Arab bedouins and Jewish Levites are around 50% R1a, and yet, it is not Slavic or European in origins but rather central asiatic. Bosniaks are a mixture between the locals and Slavic migrants, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashoeva View Post
    The Scythians were a Turkic nomadic people like the Kazakhs for example, and they mixed in with different ethnicities / races. Scythians lived in the area what we now call Kazakhstan. If you look at the DNA of Kazakhs you can see that they are mixed as well.

    Kazakh dna results eurogenes k13:
    West Asian
    12.28
    East Med
    0.99
    West Med
    1.47
    South Asian
    3.34
    Red Sea
    0.86
    Baltic
    11.87
    North Atlantic
    7.42
    Siberian
    36.11
    Amerindian
    2.22
    East Asian
    22.47
    Oceanian
    0.91
    You’re ignoring the fact that the Turkic people only migrated recently in history and assimilated the Central Asian Steppe who were INDO-IRANIAN SPEAKING. What is so hard to understand. You weren’t there when the Indo-Iranians ruled the steppe. They didn’t speak Turkic.

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