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    Default Do Italians from Apulia, Syracuse, Trapani have any Slavic ancestry?

    When you look at the results on GEDmatch and on various DNA testing sites of some Apulians and people from southeast Sicily like Syracuse, and some people from Trapani, you see an elevated amount of NE Euro/Baltic compared to what is typical for southern Italy. Sarno et al said that Apulia and Trapani have elevated affinity to Eastern Europe.

    Does this mean that there is, technically, Slavic ancestry in these people?

    When you see Sicilians coming up as halfway between the Sicilian average and Thessalian Greeks, does this mean there is Slavic ancestry, brought indirectly from mainland Greeks who had come to Sicily already mixed with Slavic people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    When you look at the results on GEDmatch and on various DNA testing sites of some Apulians and people from southeast Sicily like Syracuse, and some people from Trapani, you see an elevated amount of NE Euro/Baltic compared to what is typical for southern Italy. Sarno et al said that Apulia and Trapani have elevated affinity to Eastern Europe.

    Does this mean that there is, technically, Slavic ancestry in these people?

    When you see Sicilians coming up as halfway between the Sicilian average and Thessalian Greeks, does this mean there is Slavic ancestry, brought indirectly from mainland Greeks who had come to Sicily already mixed with Slavic people?

    No not automatically

    The answer to your question is simple

    Is the R1a clade that exists in Apulians one of the clades that Slavs have?

    Either the Balkan Slavic subclade or the East Slavic"Polish" R1a subclade?

    Yes or No?

    If not then the answer is clearly no
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    It’s just proto-Indoeuropean DNA imo.

    In the case of Syracuse and Apulia it may have arrived with the Greek colonizers (Dorians etc).

    Besides, there are no recorded migrations of Slavs in Italy except some small Croatian and Bulgarian communities in some parts that I can’t remember now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    It’s just proto-Indoeuropean DNA imo.

    In the case of Syracuse and Apulia it may have arrived with the Greek colonizers (Dorians etc).

    If this clade was realy brought by Ancient Greek settlers than its likely that it is a different one from the Slavic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    In the case of Syracuse and Apulia it may have arrived with the Greek colonizers (Dorians etc).

    Besides, there are no recorded migrations of Slavs in Italy except some small Croatian and Bulgarian communities in some parts that I can’t remember now

    I was assuming it signified they have Greek ancestry from the last 1500 years, which would have been after some Slavic admixture entered the Greek population. I didn't think actual Slavic-speaking people arrived in south Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I was assuming it signified they have Greek ancestry from the last 1500 years, which would have been after some Slavic admixture entered the Greek population. I didn't think actual Slavic-speaking people arrived in south Italy.
    Some Greeks fled to Italy after Greece was conquered by the Ottomans, but I don’t think their number was that big in order to change the genetic makeup of the natives. The reason of elevated northern ancestry in parts of south Italy might have to do with migrations of different people during the centuries. For example I read here on TA that SE Sicily was settled by northern Italians at some point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    Some Greeks fled to Italy after Greece was conquered by the Ottomans, but I don’t think their number was that big in order to change the genetic makeup of the natives. The reason of elevated northern ancestry in parts of south Italy might have to do with migrations of different people during the centuries. For example I read here on TA that SE Sicily was settled by northern Italians at some point
    Please Dude look at an average SE Sicilian result ,its closest to Mainstream Greek some parts of Cyclade Islander,Central Greeks or
    Mainland Greeks with the least Slavic affinity like Maniots.

    So their main ancestry is European Med not North Italian or something else they simply have much less of the East Med other Sicilians have.

    All these things here are ridiculously exagerated and have to be questioned.

    The only realy interesting question is about the South Italian subclade of R1a if it is one of those clades that exist in Slavic people or a
    distinct one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I was assuming it signified they have Greek ancestry from the last 1500 years, which would have been after some Slavic admixture entered the Greek population. I didn't think actual Slavic-speaking people arrived in south Italy.
    Did you get any Eastern Euro or NE Euro results? I did and it was surprising enough that I had to start questioning my family lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dperucca View Post
    Did you get any Eastern Euro or NE Euro results? I did and it was surprising enough that I had to start questioning my family lol.
    I am partially Polish so yes. From my Sicilian side, doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I am partially Polish so yes. From my Sicilian side, doubtful.
    So your R1a clade comes definetly from your Polish side
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