Are the women that message you on dating sites a reflection of your own attractiveness?

[mosaic potato]

It's hard, dude. I know all about it. But, if you just want to have sex with beautiful women, you can go have sex with beautiful women (prostitutes), and if you want to get married, you can go get married (Russia, Thailand, Philippines, Latin America, matrimonial sites, etc).

If you can't fix something, you have to stand it.

Read Sanger's 19th century History of Prostitution. It has existed throughout all ages, in all societal conditions. All sorts of men patronize prostitutes. Doctors, lawyers, ditch-diggers, it doesn't matter. The problem is, is that people have a very shortsighted view of how life is supposed to be. Things were quite different for people living in bygone eras. Just look at how on Mad Men, even Don Draper when he meets his first wife Betty, he buys her a fur-coat. The logic of those times were different, but it was in sync with the logic of the vast majority of human history.

People's resistance to patronizing prostitutes is based on ingrained prejudices and tired cliches. This aversion is a modern phenomenon.

The thing here is that you've totally bypassed the women on middle ground - the average, non-fat women. I'm not after beautiful women, never have been really, I find them often intimidating.

I just want somebody average-looking that's not fat like Cariad Lloyd for example. I like a whole variety of looks but not heavy women. If it is true that my only options are very fat women -- and average women think they're too good for me -- then yes I might have to accept traveling abroad. I used escorts in my early-mid twenties because I was considered too effete-looking or too boyish-looking by the women I liked, but when I became more manly-looking and acquired a house of my own I thought things would change, but they haven't.

[Óttar]

The thing here is that you've totally bypassed the women on middle ground - the average, non-fat women. I'm not after beautiful women, never have been really, I find them often intimidating.

I just want somebody average-looking that's not fat like Cariad Lloyd for example. I like a whole variety of looks but not heavy women. If it is true that my only options are very fat women -- and average women think they're too good for me -- then yes I might have to accept traveling abroad. I used escorts in my early-mid twenties because I was considered too effete-looking or too boyish-looking by the women I liked, but when I became more manly-looking and acquired a house of my own I thought things would change, but they haven't.

I assume you are looking for marriage?

[Lightshade25]

Fat women are always hungry. They message everyone anyways.

[Dick]

Fat women are always hungry. They message everyone anyways.

No pun intended

[MissMischief]

Don't accuse me of having bad social skills. I don't have lax social skills. Another male shaming tactic.

It's not easy to create a social circle at my age. Most men are married w/kids and spending time with families, they are past those "lads nights out" long ago. I really don't have any other platform to meet women other than online. I have tried social groups offline (photography classes, reading groups, night course, mixed gender soccer group) but all the non-fat ones are either taken or not interested, despite me having often what they don't (own my own home when they're renting etc).

I hate to break it to you but if women you consider below your league are messaging you, you may not be in as high a league as you think.

[Larali]

I assume you are looking for marriage?

He is looking for pre-pubescent women to dominate. If he is who I believe he is.

[Óttar]

He is looking for pre-pubescent women to dominate. If he is who I believe he is.

Cynewald was weirder. He was preoccupied with strange things like, "non-hooker virgins." i.e. men who hadn't had sex with women other than whores. He also was preoccupied with being fat and ugly despite being relatively good looking aesthetically.

[Larali]

Cynewald was weirder. He was preoccupied with strange things like, "non-hooker virgins." i.e. men who hadn't had sex with women other than whores. He also was preoccupied with being fat and ugly despite being relatively good looking aesthetically.

My apologies if I'm wrong.