What is an "Arab" to you, and who can consider themselves Arab?

[Congolese Rice]

imo some new terms should be invented or used differently.

Arabians just like the peninsula should be the name of "Arabs Living in the peninsula"

this just because it's true for every other peninsula in the world:

Italian peninsula: Italian people

Iberian Peninsula :Iberian people

to me it just sounds better and makes more sense, but i agree that "Arabs" are only the true ones living in that peninsula


Arabic (people) : adjective that can define all those ethnicity influenced in a major way by ancient arabic culture and religion.

Well yup. imo the Gulf Arabs are the only true Arabs to me. You can call Levantines Arab, and sure. Some of them might be, like southern Iraqi's probably, Southeastern Jordanians, probably some other Arab admix throughout the rest of the Levant, maybe extends a bit into Egypt and perhaps Libya and some parts of East Africa and that's were it really stops

The gulf arabs are the real arabs and thats why i am glad to have some ancestry from there haha, it's not alot. only 33% but it is there, still i consider myself caribbean above all even though i dont look the matter.

[Gangrel]

If you are partially arab then you are only partially Arab. Nothing more, nothing less

[Congolese Rice]

If you are partially arab then you are only partially Arab. Nothing more, nothing less

yeah i agree. But i ment to say, if you are partially Arab. and you recognize and cherish your arab side for example. if the person would call himself an "Arab" would it raise eyes? btw im not talking about myself as i consider myself caribbean because my mom was.

But yeah i am just curious if a 35%> arab can call himself arab because he is partially so, especially if he grew up amongst arabs and egyptians etc ?

[Gangrel]

yeah i agree. But i ment to say, if you are partially Arab. and you recognize and cherish your arab side for example. if the person would call himself an "Arab" would it raise eyes? btw im not talking about myself as i consider myself caribbean because my mom was.

But yeah i am just curious if a 35%> arab can call himself arab because he is partially so, especially if he grew up amongst arabs and egyptians etc ?

If both your parents are native speakers of the Arabic language you can call yourself arab. Genetics is irrelevant as Arabs are a cultural/linguistic group.

[Congolese Rice]

If both your parents are native speakers of the Arabic language you can call yourself arab. Genetics is irrelevant as Arabs are a cultural/linguistic group.

well yeah sure that could be true. Thats how they think of it atleast, most Arabs i've met though when i told them i was partially Arab they immediately became happy and treated me as one of their own now everytime i walked into my classroom from the other side of the classroom this would be shouted at me " ARABIAA! SANA'A BOY!" XD

arabs are probably one of the funniest people i've met. they now keep calling me Sana'a boy because i said to them i was partially Yemeni. Which is probably true as many calculators clustered me close to Yemen but still, i dont know

[rein]

Well yup. imo the Gulf Arabs are the only true Arabs to me. You can call Levantines Arab, and sure. Some of them might be, like southern Iraqi's probably, Southeastern Jordanians, probably some other Arab admix throughout the rest of the Levant, maybe extends a bit into Egypt and perhaps Libya and some parts of East Africa and that's were it really stops

The gulf arabs are the real arabs and thats why i am glad to have some ancestry from there haha, it's not alot. only 33% but it is there, still i consider myself caribbean above all even though i dont look the matter.

How do you know it’s from the gulf Arabs since you only get 30% middle eastern on certain picked gedmatch calculators?

[Raslen3]

I consider an arab anyone who grew up in an arab culture and is ethnically from the mena region , so for me gulf arabs might be the only genetic arabs but since the muslim conquests it became more of a cultural thing , I am tunisian and the majority identify with "arabs" although virtually everyone is berber (which to be fair is also a cultural term more than a genetic one) . But I am from the minority that are actually ethnic arabs but since both populations intermarried and didn't look so different since the beginning , there are no distinction ofc .

[Congolese Rice]

How do you know it’s from the gulf Arabs since you only get 30% middle eastern on certain picked gedmatch calculators?

the calculators that are most accurate for me break my MENA down to be BedouinA, Palestinian, Jordanian, and Syrian etc. here:


Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.71
2 SSA 24.63
3 E_Eurasian 4.66


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 6.961379
2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
5 Syrian @ 22.687027
6 Makrani @ 23.260059
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
8 Saudi @ 24.097925
9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
10 Brahui @ 26.553122
11 Balochi @ 26.774252
12 Iranian @ 27.331972
13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
14 Turkish @ 28.826607
15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
17 Balkar @ 30.339142
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136

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gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161

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Eurogenes K7 YourDNAPortal:


Population Percentage
Sub Saharan 25.68%
Oceanian 0.30%
Amerindian 2.27%
Euro Hunter Gatherer 42.32%
Siberian 0.26%
South East Asian 1.46%
Near Eastern 27.70%

^ my near eastern here is super alike to that of my ancient eurasia K6, i'm pretty convinced my Middle Eastern is 21-28%, and my berber 4-6%, creating 25% MENA or 34% MENA. If you want my kit number i can give it to you.

[Congolese Rice]

I consider an arab anyone who grew up in an arab culture and is ethnically from the mena region , so for me gulf arabs might be the only genetic arabs but since the muslim conquests it became more of a cultural thing , I am tunisian and the majority identify with "arabs" although virtually everyone is berber (which to be fair is also a cultural term more than a genetic one) . But I am from the minority that are actually ethnic arabs but since both populations intermarried and didn't look so different since the beginning , there are no distinction ofc .

That's so cool Second time i've met a Tunisian in this forum, a Arab one at that


and yeah i agree with you. I grew up with Moroccans, Egyptians, Turks, and Arabs so culturally i can say i was about 50% Arab and 50% Caribbean, and i was raised the black way so i kinda feel connected to both. At that i am 21-33% MENA/Mostly Arabian, minor Berber and i am only 21% SSA. However i feel more connected to my Caribbean side because i was raised that way, but i dont look like a caribbean at all ppl either say i am Caribbean Hispanic or Egyptian/Arab.

and yes i fully agree with everyone here, i cannot identify as Arab only because i am 1/3 Arab, that's not the way it works. However i find the Arab culture very interesting and super cool, it's my second favorite culture besides that of Caribbeans.

I consider myself either Caribbean, or Arab-Caribbean. Even though i am partially white i feel 0% connected to my european side because my dad never really was in the picture my mama was my dad and my mom at the same time

[Congolese Rice]

anyone else care to share their opinion or is this thread considered dead?