How many Syrians and Lebanese can pass in Europe?

[Cernunnos]

Syria and Lebanon (and Israel too) have a shared Eastern Mediterranean background with Cyprus, Western Turkey and Greece/Balkans, and apart from being arabized and Muslim most of their culture is Mediterranean shared with other fellow Mediterranean cultures.

I would say 1/3 Syrians and Lebanese can pass in Europe.... What's your opinion?

[Marmara]

Syrians and Lebanese have much more in common with South/Southeastern Turkey due to racially kin native Arab population there. Western Turkey is a very Turkic place + quite many Balkan immigrants.

It's a tricky question. Syria is larger than Lebanon and is ethnically more diverse. Lebanon is a more coastal area. Genetic results indicate average Lebanese is more Mediterranean than Syrians who are more Middle-Eastern, but i think Syria is very diverse and there are many who are as Mediterranean as Lebanese if not more.

Percentage wise i couldn't say anything really.

[Sikeliot]

Lebanese and Syrians do not pass well as continental Europeans. They only pass among various islanders: Crete, Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and whatnot... also probably in Calabria in far south Italy but that's it for continental Europe.

[Cernunnos]

Lebanese and Syrians do not pass well as continental Europeans. They only pass among various islanders: Crete, Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and whatnot... also probably in Calabria in far south Italy but that's it for continental Europe.

When I talk about Europe I talk about the whole entire continent, not only the core of regions like Central Europe or Western Europe.

[Sikeliot]

When I talk about Europe I talk about the whole entire continent, not only the core of regions like Central Europe or Western Europe.

I know. I am saying that they do not fit well even in the continental part of Greece, nor in most of Italy, nor Iberia... the only place you consistently find people who can pass as Levantine, in my view, is Sicily, Malta, Cyprus, Crete, and probably Calabria and Rhodes and whatnot.

[Cernunnos]

I know. I am saying that they do not fit well even in the continental part of Greece, nor in most of Italy, nor Iberia... the only place you consistently find people who can pass as Levantine, in my view, is Sicily, Malta, Cyprus, Crete, and probably Calabria and Rhodes and whatnot.

Not all Levantines look Levantine, some Look more Arabian others look more European.

I do believe also that East Med used to be the most common phenotype in the Eastern Mediterranean world, including Greece, Southern Italy, Western Turkey, Levant before the Roman expansion into those areas (4th/3th century BC).

[Hadouken]

Not all Levantines look Levantine, some Look more Arabian others look more European.

I do believe also that East Med used to be the most common phenotype in the Eastern Mediterranean world, including Greece, Southern Italy, Western Turkey, Levant before the Roman expansion into those areas (4th/3th century BC).

east med is also common among us in eastern turkey . I also score high east med on calculators beside of that . I dont know why levantines are so whitewashed btw. . in turkey they pass only in the most exotic areas and as a group they are too exotic and are often easily spottable "even" in our kurdish areas

[Sikeliot]

Not all Levantines look Levantine, some Look more Arabian others look more European.

I do believe also that East Med used to be the most common phenotype in the Eastern Mediterranean world, including Greece, Southern Italy, Western Turkey, Levant before the Roman expansion into those areas (4th/3th century BC).

All of these places once shared a common East Med origin but they have diverged a bit:

- Slavic input in Greece and Albania has shifted them, somewhat, toward NE Europe, and other Balkan nations even more so
- Sicilians and south Italians have absorbed Italian influences from further north, as well as Berber/NW African input
- Central Asian input in Turkey
- Arabian input in the Levant

But overall I do agree with what you're saying. I do think today though, that the Aegean islands, Sicily, Crete, etc. retain more of this ancient substratum than anywhere else.

[MEDACHE]

east med is also common among us in eastern turkey . I also score high east med on calculators beside of that . I dont know why levantines are so whitewashed btw. . in turkey they pass only in the most exotic areas and as a group they are too exotic and are often easily spottable "even" in our kurdish areas

Probably because Druze are the whitest in the Middle East after Jews. All of whom are Levantine.

[Marmara]

Not all Levantines look Levantine, some Look more Arabian others look more European.

I do believe also that East Med used to be the most common phenotype in the Eastern Mediterranean world, including Greece, Southern Italy, Western Turkey, Levant before the Roman expansion into those areas (4th/3th century BC).

East Med peaks among Cypriots i think. It's not a very white component. Real whiteness in Levant comes from Caucasian admixture.